On this episode, Caroline and Jordan have the pleasure of meeting Tessa White, a retired detective sergeant, Marine Corps veteran, and fierce LGBTQ+ rights advocate whose journey spans decades of service, transformation, and community leadership. Tessa shares stories from her upbringing in Philadelphia, her time in the military and law enforcement, and the pivotal moment when she began transitioning in 2015. With humor, heart, and unflinching honesty, she reflects on navigating gender dysphoria, family estrangement, and ultimately finding solidarity and love within Oklahoma City’s queer community.

Throughout the conversation, Tessa, Caroline, and Jordan dive into complex and often under-discussed dynamics within the transgender community—such as the pressures of “passing,” internal gatekeeping, and navigating identity in hostile environments. Together, they also reflect on deeply personal moments of growth and resistance, from confronting transphobia in public to reclaiming womanhood through community celebration. Tessa shares her experiences leading Oklahoma City Pride, where she’s used both visibility and behind-the-scenes advocacy to fight anti-LGBTQ+ legislation and create spaces of joy and resilience—even in the face of rising drag bans and political backlash.

The episode also explores the power of social media in building queer solidarity, with Tessa recounting her viral TikTok moments and emphasizing the importance of storytelling over statistics in shifting public opinion. Caroline, Jordan, and Tessa agree: living visibly, organizing across difference, and showing up with vulnerability are revolutionary acts. Whether organizing Pride events, dancing at the club, or testifying at the state capitol, Tessa’s message is clear—trans people belong everywhere, and their stories have the power to move hearts, change laws, and unite communities.

“Tessa White is a Marine Corps veteran, a retired detective sergeant from the Seacoast region of New Hampshire, and a bold, outspoken advocate for LGBTQ+ rights. After transitioning a decade ago upon returning to her birthplace of Oklahoma, Tessa immersed herself in queer activism, serving on multiple nonprofit boards and becoming a visible force for human rights in a deeply conservative state. Now in her fifth year as President of Oklahoma City Pride, Tessa leads with fierce compassion and community vision. She is also the owner and contractor of TwinStar HVAC Inc., a proud mother to two sets of twins, and someone whose life is grounded in love, justice, and the power of living authentically. Tessa is unafraid to speak truth to power—especially in confronting the cruelty of far-right policies targeting the trans community—and she’s recently experienced the wild ride of going viral on TikTok.“

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On this episode, Athena, Caroline, and Jordan are joined by Indy Pride’s own Hudson Gaunt, a transmasculine, non-binary, autistic, Hispanic pagan and EMT whose life is rooted in radical care, community resilience, and queer joy. Together, they dive into Hudson’s personal journey, from growing up in a conservative religious household to becoming a visible and vital advocate for inclusive queer spaces in Indianapolis. With honesty and depth, Hudson shares the formative moments of their self-discovery, the tension between identity and faith, and how they’ve woven together their lived experiences to shape both their spirituality and community activism.

As the conversation unfolds, the group explores the evolving meaning of Pride, especially under the growing shadow of political backlash and anti-trans legislation. Hudson offers a behind-the-scenes look at their work with Indy Pride, highlighting efforts to create trauma-informed, accessible events like the “Mellow Cello” sensory tent and the Transmixer. They reflect on their desire for Pride to be less corporate, more community-driven, and genuinely inclusive, built not on performance, but on shared values of safety, belonging, and liberation.

In a world that often tries to erase or sanitize queer complexity, this episode becomes a love letter to intersectionality, lived truth, and the healing power of chosen family. Hudson’s story reminds us that Pride isn’t just a party, it’s a practice. A practice of showing up, of holding space, and of daring to imagine futures where everyone belongs.

“Hudson Gaunt is a multifaceted soul whose life and work embody resilience, authenticity, and radical care. A Queer, Non-Binary, Autistic, Hispanic, Pagan, Trans cat-dad and EMT, Hudson holds space at the vibrant intersections of identity, disability, and community healing. Raised in a conservative town by a pastor, Hudson’s early life was marked by suppression, of truth, of expression, of joy. But after finding affirmation and belonging within the Indianapolis queer community, Hudson committed himself to creating safe, affirming spaces for others. As the Office Manager for Indy Pride, he now works to ensure the organization reflects the full spectrum of identities it serves. Hudson brings lived experience, spiritual depth, and a creative lens to everything he touches, building community not just with systems—but with soul.”

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On this episode, Athena and Caroline meet Olivia Nied, a radiant queer, trans, and neurodivergent musician whose voice and artistry are as nuanced as her identity. They begin by tracing Olivia’s creative roots, from her early musical influences like Queen and the Beach Boys to her transformative experiences at a UK ukulele festival. Along the way, Olivia reflects on how music became both a mirror and a map in her gender journey, helping her find language for joy, self-recognition, and resistance.

As the conversation deepens, the trio explores Olivia’s most recent album Just Enough, an intimate project born from personal heartache and defiant self-expression. Olivia shares how her neurodivergence and transness shape her songwriting and how reclaiming what it means to be “too much” helped her land in the sweet spot of being “just enough.” Together, they dive into everything from musical improvisation to the psychedelic arms race between Pet Sounds and Sgt. Pepper, all while celebrating the queerness embedded in music’s DNA.

They close with reflections on persistence, creativity, and the power of finding joy in small moments. Olivia offers advice to her younger self, talks about balancing art and survival, and dreams out loud about a future where music sustains her full-time.

“Olivia Nied (she/they) is a singer/songwriter whose work is shaped by her experience as a queer, trans, and neurodivergent artist. Olivia has been writing and performing original music since she was nine years old. Her debut solo album, Just Enough, released last year, dives into themes of radical joy, identity, neurodivergence, and the search for belonging.”

https://olivianied.com/home

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On this episode, Caroline is joined by guest cohosts Alicia Mullins and Jenna Daugherty as they meet Mary Almy, a resilient and radiant trans woman whose story weaves together themes of faith, identity, and radical hope. Mary shares her powerful journey growing up in a conservative Christian environment, enduring rejection, self-harm, and suicidal ideation before discovering a path of healing through transition, advocacy, and community. Her story moves from the U.S. to Africa, from military and missionary work to life-affirming moments of self-realization and survival—including harrowing encounters with crocodiles and venomous snakes during her darkest hours.

The episode dives deep into the intersection of queerness and Christianity, with heartfelt reflections on how Mary and others are reclaiming faith from the clutches of bigotry. Together, the group challenges the narrative that Christianity and queerness are incompatible, with moving testimonies from Mary about her Presbyterian congregation, and from Alicia and Jenna about their own transformative journeys. The conversation turns toward the power of storytelling—especially through Mary’s forthcoming documentary—and how media can shift perceptions, bridge divides, and humanize trans lives across generational and ideological lines.

In a time marked by anti-trans legislation and rising fascism, this episode is a fierce call to love, empathy, and action. From embracing visibility to uplifting trans youth and elders alike, Mary and the team offer a vision rooted in hope, grace, and the belief that compassion can dismantle hate.

“ Mary Transitioned latter in life although she knew that she was different and that she was a girl from the age of 5. Growing up in the 60’s and 70’s information about transgender was hard to find for a young girl living in a small town in Western Pa. Her life’s journey included time as a Military Police Officer, a civilian Law enforcement Officer and a Mission Co-worker serving for 14 years in Africa. Mary Is married to an ordained minister of the PCUSA (Presbyterian Church USA). They have been married for 40 years, her wife is one of her staunchest supporters and cheer leader. Since her Transition Mary has been active in a variety of organizations and has worked as a big sister for other Transgender women and their spouses. Mary was awarded the BULGQA (Bloomsburg University Lesbian, Gay, Queer Alliance) 2018 Community Advocacy award. Mary is a strong advocate for the Transgender community where she has worked as a peer mentor, educational speaker and on various boards and Transgender organizations, she is currently serving on the board of the Rainbow rose Center, York County’s LGBTQIA Support organization. Mary is also a Transgender Woman of faith, whose desire is to build bridges and heal hurts between the LGBT community especially the Transgender community and the Church. Mary is currently living in south central Pa. with her wife, dog and two cats.“

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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On this episode, Caroline welcomes back Della Licious, Jordan Braxton, and Kristen Browde as they gather for a vibrant, honest, and deeply human roundtable on drag, transition, and advocacy. The conversation flows from laughter and casual catching up into a powerful exploration of identity, visibility, and the ongoing challenges facing LGBTQ+ communities—especially in the face of anti-drag and anti-trans legislation. Della shares stories from her 23-year journey in drag and HIV education, while Jordan reflects on drag as an early pathway to self-discovery and transition. Kristen adds insight from her dual life as a journalist and advocate, grounding the conversation in lived experience and legal perspective.

Together, the group addresses the HIV epidemic with raw vulnerability and urgency, confronting stigma head-on and advocating for better access to healthcare, testing, and education—particularly in rural and underserved communities. From the Ryan White Program to the realities of aging with HIV, they highlight the continued need for policy, compassion, and public funding. They also reflect on the strength and resilience of the transgender and drag communities, emphasizing the power of joy, community, and collective resistance in the face of ongoing marginalization.

They remind listeners that drag is more than a performance—it’s a culture of survival, expression, and truth-telling. And in the face of fear and legislation, their message is clear: keep showing up, keep living fully, and don’t let anyone steal your joy.

“Della Licious is the heartbeat of Fort Wayne’s queer nightlife and a radiant symbol of service, performance, and community care. A 20-year drag veteran, Della hosts dazzling shows at After Dark and produces monthly fundraisers for the Positive Resource Connection. With wit, rhinestone flair, and devotion to HIV/AIDS education, she uplifts queer visibility in small-town America—proving that resistance can shimmer, strut, and serve pie with a side of advocacy.

Jordan Braxton is a St. Louis icon and longtime activist whose work bridges performance and policy. Known as Dieta Pepsi, she merges glamour with grassroots leadership, serving as Director of Diversity for Pride St. Louis and Vice President of St. Louis Black Pride. Her HIV/AIDS prevention work with Vivent Health and founding of the Transgender Memorial Garden reflect her lifelong commitment to honoring trans lives and building lasting change.

Kristen Browde is a journalist-turned-advocate known for her legal and political work on behalf of the LGBTQIA+ community. With years at CNN and CBS News, she now serves as president of the Florida Democratic Party LGBTQ+ Caucus and vice president of the National Stonewall Democrats. Her career is marked by bold visibility and unwavering dedication to justice across media, law, and policy.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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On this episode, Caroline, Moth Moth Moth, and returning guest co-host—singer of our theme song—Boy Bowser sit down with Aj Evergreen, original co-host of The Trans Narrative Podcast, making her first appearance as a guest. Together, they revisit Aj’s early years growing up as a Jehovah’s Witness, exploring how her insular religious upbringing shaped her understanding of queerness, language, and identity. They delve into the role of education and community in Aj’s journey of self-discovery, as well as how spiritual control and censorship influence the formation of trans and queer lives.

The group takes a critical lens to systems of power—capitalism, electoral politics, and carceral logic—examining how these structures constrain liberation. Aj offers a grounded critique of the two-party system, emphasizing the importance of local voting while acknowledging its limits. They discuss small acts of resistance—ethical consumption, unionizing, and community care—as ways to chip at capitalist dominance. They also highlight the need for solidarity among immigrants, non-citizens, and marginalized people in reclaiming agency.

In a powerful final act, the group envisions transformation rooted in care over punishment. Through laughter, vulnerability, and fierce love, this episode is a bold reminder of what becomes possible when we center authenticity, justice, and collective care.

“Aj Evergreen is a trans woman, ex-Jehovah’s Witness, Leftist, civil rights activist, volunteer with LGBTQ+ community organizations, and unapologetic nerd. She holds a degree in Sociology with an emphasis on Political Science and is passionate about understanding the structures that shape our lives. Raised in an insular, fundamentalist environment where conformity was demanded and queer identities were condemned, Aj’s journey has been one of deep questioning, painful growth, and courageous self-acceptance. After leaving the faith in her early twenties and beginning her transition at 25, she has fought to reclaim her sense of self, choosing to believe in a future where happiness and fulfillment are possible for everyone — not just the chosen few.

Her story reminds us that healing is not about erasing the past, but about living fully and authentically despite it. Through her resilience, advocacy, and fierce dedication to justice, Aj offers a powerful testament to the possibility of building a life rooted in truth, compassion, and hope — even when the foundation you were given was built to collapse.

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On this episode, Athena and Caroline have the pleasure of sitting down with Jordan Braxton as they explore Jordan’s extraordinary journey of self-discovery, activism, and community leadership. Jordan shares her life story beginning in Kansas City, reflecting on the experiences that shaped her identity as a proud trans woman and intersex individual.

Through vulnerability, laughter, and wisdom, Jordan speaks to the importance of embracing authenticity, surviving systemic challenges, and leading with heart and purpose across multiple generations of LGBTQIA+ advocacy.

Together, they delve into Jordan’s decades of work in HIV prevention, her leadership roles in St. Louis’s Pride organizations, and the founding of the historic Transgender Memorial Garden. Jordan also shares insights from her performance career as Dieta Pepsi, where art, joy, and activism intersect to uplift and fund vital community programs. The conversation expands into the ongoing fight for sexual health education, the crucial role of trans voices in legislation, and the powerful coalitions Jordan is building across Missouri to ensure HIV prevention, care, and trans rights remain at the forefront.

“Jordan Braxton has been an activist in the St. Louis LGBTQIA+ community for nearly 40 years, raising awareness about HIV/AIDS, Intersex, and Trans Rights. She serves as Director of Diversity, Inclusion, and Outreach for Pride St. Louis, Vice President of St. Louis Black Pride and Transparent, and Chair of the City of St. Louis Mayor’s LGBTQIA+ Advisory Board. Jordan is also a Co-chair of the Minority AIDS Initiative Committee and a member of the Metro St. Louis HIV Health Services Planning Council. She currently works at Vivent Health as a Prevention Supervisor, overseeing Project Impact and Ending the Epidemic grants. Jordan is the Chair of the Transgender/Gender Diverse Workgroup for Missouri’s Comprehensive Planning Group. Beyond advocacy, she is beloved for her performance as Dieta Pepsi, through which she has raised funds for organizations like Doorways, Food Outreach, and Metro Trans Umbrella Group. Jordan is also the founder of the Transgender Memorial Garden—the first memorial garden dedicated to transgender people in the United States.”

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On this episode, Caroline, Skye, and returning as guest cohost Torin Reilly Bowen meet with Lee Beineke to talk about authenticity, identity, and the journey of becoming. A dedicated special education assistant from Indiana, Lee opens up about his path from the fast food industry to the classroom, and the transformative years that followed. He shares with honesty and warmth the milestones of his transition—his marriage to his wife Jenny, his name change, and bottom surgery—all of which shaped his understanding of living a full, true life. Together, the group reflects on how the Trans Narrative Podcast itself has evolved, and how storytelling can illuminate the often-overlooked experiences within the LGBTQ+ community.

Religious trauma, community support, and chosen family are central themes in this candid and heartfelt conversation. Lee and Torin reflect on their Southern Baptist upbringings and the spiritual harm they endured, contrasting those experiences with the joy of finding inclusive spaces later in life. Skye brings in her own interfaith experience, weaving in stories of joyfully sharing queer representation with children in her Unitarian Universalist congregation. Throughout the episode, the hosts and guest uplift the value of safe adults, mentorship, and community infrastructure—especially for trans youth navigating complex environments.

From classroom advocacy to Big Brother mentorship, Lee offers a glimpse into what trans joy and quiet resilience can look like. He speaks about becoming a safe space for students, the importance of showing up with kindness, and the power of simply being visible. With deeply personal insights and practical advice, this episode serves as both a window into Lee’s world and a mirror for listeners navigating their own paths. The conversation ends with a powerful call to action: to be “that one person” for someone else, offering encouragement, compassion, and unwavering support.

“Lee Beineke is a dedicated Special Education Assistant with a passion for helping students reach their full potential. His journey to this career was shaped by resilience, self-discovery, and a deep commitment to making a difference.

Born and raised in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Lee navigated the challenges of self-acceptance before fully embracing his identity as a transgender man. With the unwavering support of his wife, he found the confidence to live authentically. His personal journey has strengthened his ability to connect with and support students, fostering an inclusive and understanding learning environment.

Starting his career in the fast food industry, Lee eventually pursued his lifelong dream of working in education. Now, in his role as a Special Education Assistant, he is dedicated to empowering students and creating a positive impact in their lives. Happily married since 2019, he continues to follow his passion, living a life rooted in authenticity, purpose, and compassion.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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