Joe Terry and I go way back—I met him when he was CEO of Corporate Visions, and he's been on a 30-year journey studying what separates leaders who connect from those who collide.

He's also the co-author of Surrender to Lead, a USA Today bestseller that reframes everything we think we know about leadership.

This conversation got deep fast. We talked about the action trap—that seductive belief that if we just do more, the results will come. Joe's seen executive teams where 12 people in the same room give 12 different answers to "What are our top three objectives?" And then they wonder why the org can't execute.

What we cover:

• The results pyramid: experiences shape beliefs, beliefs drive actions, actions create results—and most sales training starts at the wrong end
• Why surrender isn't weakness—it's the only way to lead from strength
• The SHIFT framework for getting out of your own way
• The four questions Joe wishes a seller would ask him (and nobody does)
• "Show up to give, not to get"—and why that earns the second meeting
• Why differentiation is an intellectual conversation that buyers don't care about

Key insight: "You can do all the actions you want all day long. You might get a little short burst, but you're not going to get long-term repeatable change in execution and results."

Connect with Joe:

• LinkedIn: Joe Terry
• Book: surrendertolead.com
• Company: culturepartners.com

Dramatically improve your sales effectiveness, value selling impact and sales enablement best practices by focusing on communicating. Really connecting.

Frankie Kemp has one of those backgrounds that sounds made up: acting school, award-winning comedy writer, NLP practitioner, and now a communication coach for technical specialists at companies like major pharma, energy, and finance firms. She's helped close multimillion-pound deals by making three nonverbal adjustments. She's gotten scientists out of their slides and into real conversations. And she brings Aristotle into every engagement.

In this episode, we dig into why communication is the most underleveraged skill in sales—and why the best communicators aren't the smoothest talkers. They're the ones who adapt.

What we cover:

• Aristotle's three pillars of persuasion: logos, ethos, and pathos—and why most technical people only use one
• The real reason customers come to you with a solution instead of a problem
• How to identify someone's learning style (visual, auditory, kinesthetic) by the words they use
• Why Frankie tells clients to put away their slides: "It's you they want to see"
• The improv-to-sales pipeline: why so many techies do improv, and what it teaches about presence
• How three nonverbal tweaks closed a deal on the eighth attempt

Key insight: "People often come to you with the solution. Your job in sales is to recognize what led up to that requirement—what problem are they trying to solve? Then take them back and go, 'This will be better for you.'"

Connect with Frankie:

• Website: frankiekemp.com
• LinkedIn: Frankie Kemp
• Free 15-minute discovery call available on her site

James Stephan-Usypchuk has been building predictive AI systems for 15 years—long before ChatGPT made it mainstream. He's a cancer survivor, serial entrepreneur, and someone who's worked with BlackRock, Blackstone, and private equity firms on deal origination. And he has a psychology degree, which gives him a different lens on the AI hype than most technologists.

In this episode, we dig into the real question organizations are asking right now: AI can do almost anything, but what should it actually do? James makes a sharp distinction between tasks that can be automated and the human elements that can't—and shouldn't—be replaced.

What we cover:

• Why 82% of AI implementations fail when built on bad data
• The difference between using AI as a "magnet in the ocean" versus having it "make sushi on the back of a boat"
• How predictive algorithms can identify who's likely to sell their business—but can't close the deal
• The stat that should scare every marketer: 15,000+ ad impressions per day, but only 3 seconds of recall
• Why the best salespeople he knows are comedians
• What happens when a sales rep is pre-sold and the rep still runs the script

Key insight: "AI can do everything, but so can 50 million other people using AI. When a human steps up with a likability factor you've never seen—automate that. You can't."

Connect with James:

• Website: ecliptica-ops.com
• LinkedIn: James Stephan-Usypchuk

Javier Lozano Jr. on Sales and Marketing Alignment, AI, and Fixing Leaky Pipelines

If your sales and marketing teams aren't aligned on revenue, you don't have a pipeline problem — you have a structural problem. In this episode I talk with Javier Lozano Jr., a fractional CMO and CRO who helps founder-led tech companies build the foundation for predictable pipeline. Javier has lived on both sides of the revenue equation, and he brings a rare clarity to why these teams need to be tied at the hip — not just collaborating, but sharing the same revenue goals.

We cover a lot of ground. Why customer success is really a piece of the marketing puzzle — because those customer stories become your most powerful sales enablement. How AI is already changing the game for teams that feed sales transcripts into language models and come out with sharper messaging, shorter sales cycles, and higher conversion rates. Why the feedback loop between sales, marketing, and operations is a closed system that breaks when any piece gets ahead of the others. And why saying yes to the wrong big opportunity — like a Grainger stocking order that would crush your operations — can be the smartest no you ever make.

One of my favorite moments is Javier walking through his HIRO pipeline metric — High Intent Revenue Opportunities — which tells you whether marketing is delivering quality leads or just noise. If your team is closing above 25%, you're in HIRO territory. Below that, either your sales team needs help or your leads aren't good enough.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Sales and marketing must align on revenue goals. Not MQLs, not butts in seats — revenue. When both teams champion closed-won deals instead of their own metrics, the finger-pointing stops and the pipeline becomes predictable.
• Customer success is a marketing function. The words your happiest customers use are your best positioning, your best ad copy, and your best sales enablement. Kill the CSM function and you kill your brand's storytelling engine.
• AI is already transforming sales enablement. Feed a hundred call transcripts into an LLM and you'll find out what's actually closing deals — often things your own reps can't articulate. Use that to rewrite your emails, refine your messaging, and shorten your sales cycle.
• Use the HIRO metric to measure pipeline quality. High Intent Revenue Opportunities above a 25% close rate means marketing is delivering. Below that, you've got a targeting or lead quality problem that no amount of sales effort will fix.
• Diagnose your leaky pipeline before you try to scale. Javier's free predictable pipeline diagnostic surfaces the two or three priorities that matter most — typically rev ops gaps and positioning problems — so you stop trying to fix everything and focus on what moves the needle.

FIND JAVIERLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/javierlozanojrWebsite: boldermediasolutions.com (free pipeline diagnostic)

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In this episode, I sit down with Drew Sechrist, the former Salesforce veteran who helped take the company from zero to $1 billion. Now the CEO of Connect the Dots, Drew is on a mission to kill the cold call forever.

We discuss the "Osmosis Deficit" facing remote sales teams, why you can't close enterprise deals over Zoom, and the "LL Bean" lesson on solution selling that I learned in a shoe department. Drew explains why your network is the only moat you have left against AI, and how to transition from being a "contact collector" to a true "connector."

Key Findings:

• The "Osmosis" Effect: Junior sellers in remote environments are missing out on the passive learning that created the superstars of the 90s and 00s. Leaders need to manufacture these "hallway moments."

• The Deposit/Withdrawal Ratio: Successful networking requires a 99:1 ratio of giving help to asking for favors. If you try to "monetize" every interaction, your network will dry up.

• The "Dinner" Metric: Technology can get you the meeting, but it can't close the 7-figure deal. High-stakes sales still require high-touch, in-person trust building.

• Network Visibility: The biggest waste in sales is cold calling a prospect that your colleague (or board member) already knows. Tools like Connect the Dots are solving the "visibility" problem of relationship capital.

Memorable Quotes:

• "I wouldn't want to start my career now... I survived because of osmosis." — Drew Sechrist

• "I get paid in dopamine hits when I connect two people." — Drew Sechrist

• "You can't sell something you aren't interested in... I wasn't selling shoes; I was selling an experience." — Lee Levitt

• "If you are just an information kiosk, AI will replace you." — Drew Sechrist (Paraphrased)

Resources Mentioned:

• Connect the Dots: ctd.ai (Free for individuals to map their network)

• Book: The Third Door by Alex Banayan

• Book: The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

• Concept: "The Jolt Effect" (Dixon/McKenna)

Call to Action:

• Map Your Network: Sign up for a free account at ctd.ai to see who you really know.

• Connect with Drew: Find Drew Sechrist on LinkedIn or email him at drew@ctd.ai.

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I've been saying for years that B2B selling is broken. Alex Raymond — founder of AMplify, author of The Growth Department, and host of Account Manager Secrets — thinks account management is broken too. So naturally we had a lot to talk about.

Alex has spent the last decade figuring out how companies can grow faster and more profitably through the customers they already have.

And the data he brings to this conversation is staggering.

• 73% of revenue comes from existing customers.
• 52% of net new revenue comes from existing customers.
• And nearly all profit — sometimes more than 100% — is generated post-sale.
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Yet most companies treat their post-sales teams like the JV squad. An inexperienced coach, ratty uniforms, smelly locker rooms. Then they wonder why things aren't working.

We get into why "recurring revenue" is a dangerous myth that gives executives a false sense of security, and why the handoff from sales to account management is where customer relationships go to die.

Alex shares his Keep, Grow, No Surprises framework and makes a compelling case that the real job of account management isn't running QBRs or chasing NPS scores — it's helping your company win.

One of my favorite parts is Alex's concept of "relentless curiosity" — meeting your customer as a human being, asking great questions without fishing for a specific answer, and staying in the question long enough to find what's really going on. We also get into Greg Daines's research showing that even $1 of measurable improvement is enough to get a customer excited about renewing — and that reporting negative results retains customers twice as long as not reporting at all.

If you're in sales, account management, customer success, or revenue leadership, this one will make you rethink where you invest.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• The math is wildly lopsided. 73% of revenue and nearly all profit come from existing customers, but most companies pour their investment into new business sales. Every point of NRR increase drives 13-16% in valuation growth over five years. The path to durable growth runs through the customers you already have.
• Recurring revenue is a myth. Subscription doesn't mean automatic. That assumption leads companies to underinvest in the people doing the hardest work — hiring less experienced people, giving them fewer tools, then wondering why retention suffers. In the early days of SaaS, we knew we had to earn it every month. That mindset needs to come back.
• Keep, Grow, No Surprises. Alex's framework: keep the customers sales brings in, grow the ones with the most potential, no surprises. NPS and CSAT are trailing indicators. The real job of account management is helping your company win.
• Relentless curiosity changes everything. Customers are inured to our discovery — they know the checklist is coming and give us the minimum to get off the phone. Instead, figure out what the world looks like through their eyes. What's on their boss's mind? Their board's mind? Ask without fishing. That's where expansion and real risks surface.
• Show even $1 of improvement. Greg Daines's data shows the threshold for renewal excitement isn't a massive ROI number — it's basically a dollar. Once customers see measurable progress, they imagine the path forward. Be precise about value. Don't let yourself or the customer off the hook with vague statements.

BOOKS MENTIONEDThe Growth Department — Alex RaymondThe JOLT Effect — Matthew Dixon & Ted McKennaThe Meaning Revolution — Fred KofmanThink Better — Tim HursonThe Four Agreements — Don Miguel RuizThe Fifth Agreement — Don Miguel Ruiz & Don Jose RuizTogether We Win — Lee Levitt (forthcoming)

FIND ALEXLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/afraymondWebsite: amplifyam.com

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I recently sat down with Carole Mahoney, a self-described "hot nerd," author of Buyer First, and a woman on a mission to redeem the sales profession. Carole didn't start out loving sales; in fact, she started in marketing specifically to make salespeople obsolete. But she realized that to help small businesses grow, she had to embrace selling—not as a manipulation, but as a mechanism for change.

In this episode, we explore how she uses neuroscience and psychology to help sellers get out of their own way. We geek out on the similarities between hiking and sales (you can pack all the gear you want, but you still have to pivot when the trail changes), and why she believes the only difference between a good salesperson and a con man is intent.

Key Highlights & Takeaways:

• From Sheet Music to Improv: Carole shares her transition from being a musician who needed "sheet music" (a script) to embracing the "Yes, And" mentality of improv. We discuss why being present in the moment is more valuable than having the perfect answer prepared.

• The "Not About Me" T-Shirt: Carole literally made t-shirts for HubSpot reps that said "Not About Me" upside down, so they would be reminded every time they looked down that the sales call isn't about their product—it's about the buyer.

• How You Buy is How You Sell: We discuss the "cognitive behavioral" side of sales. If you are a shopper who needs to "think it over" and hunt for discounts, you will inevitably accept those same excuses from your prospects.

• The Manager Impact: Carole drops a massive stat from her analysis of 500,000 managers: Managers with negative beliefs about sales are 355% more likely to pass those on to their team, while those with supportive mindsets are 1,000% more likely to build high-performing teams.

• Hiring "Kristen" from the Restaurant: We bond over our shared love of hiring hospitality staff for sales roles. They know how to ask questions, read the room, and (like Kristen at Atlantic Fish Company) confidently recommend the tuna over the salmon.

Memorable Quotes:

• "I’m a nerd who likes to see constant growth... I love to leave things in a better state than I found them." — Carole Mahoney

• "The only difference between a good salesperson and a con man is intent." — Carole Mahoney

• "If you buy that way as a salesperson, you will sell that way as a salesperson." — Carole Mahoney

• "We share the sheet music, but we play the jazz." — Lee Levitt

The Bottom Line:Sales isn't about tricking people into doing things; it's about helping them make a change. Whether you are a "hot nerd" reading neuroscience papers or a waiter recommending the special, success comes down to curiosity, authenticity, and the ability to listen.

Call to Action:

• Read the Book: Pick up a copy of Buyer First to understand the psychology behind modern selling.

• Connect with Carole: Find her at UnboundGrowth.com or connect with "Carole (with an E) Mahoney" on LinkedIn.

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