What does it look like to face life’s hardest battles twice—and still come out laughing, leading, and lifting others? In this episode of The Things We Know, Kari and Lisa sit down with Amy Spence: mom, marathon runner, master transformation coach, and two-time breast cancer survivor. Amy shares her journey with raw honesty and humor, from the moments that tested her to the strategies that helped her rise up stronger. She talks about creating her Rise Up System, launching the Bad Boobie Club podcast, and finding joy in a new normal. This is a conversation about resilience, healing, and connection—and a reminder that none of us have to walk through challenges alone.

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Maya Angelou’s challenge is simple but piercing: “Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better.” In this episode of The Things We Know, Kari and Lisa unpack what it really means to live by those words—in parenting, caregiving, politics, justice, and how we treat our planet. From unlearning old assumptions about children and loved ones, to confronting the gap between awareness and accountability in our culture, they explore how “knowing better” must push us past comfort into responsibility. Grace for the past matters, but so does courage for the present. This conversation is both a mirror and a call to action: where in your own life are you being asked to do better?

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Dehumanization has become the cheap currency of politics, media, and even casual talk—and it’s leaving us more divided than ever. In this episode of The Things We Know, Lisa and Kari look at how words and labels strip people of dignity, whether it’s whole communities cast as threats or the double standards baked into our justice and political systems. They don’t shy away from naming the hard stuff—how fear gets manufactured and weaponized against immigrants, LGBTQ+ people, urban neighborhoods, even teachers and neighbors. But they don’t stay stuck in outrage either. Instead, they point us back to something truer: at the end of the day, every human being wants safety, health, and belonging. Moving forward means refusing caricatures, rejecting fear-mongering, and daring to rehumanize one another.

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What holds women back from stepping fully into leadership isn’t just the boardroom—it’s the kitchen, the calendar, and the endless to-do list at home. In this episode of The Things We Know, Kari and Lisa dive into Katty Kay and Claire Shipman’s The Power Code and the chapter that made them stop in their tracks: “Pots and Pans and Power.” They unpack how the unequal division of household labor—and the invisible mental load that comes with it—still limits women’s opportunities, drains ambition, and shapes confidence. From the pandemic’s toll on working mothers to the cultural undervaluing of domestic work, Kari and Lisa bring research, coaching insight, and personal stories to show why the balance must shift at home before real equality can take root anywhere else.

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In headlines and hearings, we still see the same pattern play out: women brave enough to tell the truth are met with skepticism, hostility, or outright dismissal. That disbelief doesn’t just silence—it revictimizes, forcing survivors through systems built to malign and exhaust them, while convictions remain rare. No wonder so many choose silence, carrying fear and shame instead of justice. In this episode of The Things We Know, Lisa and Kari dig into why our culture clings to doubt, and what must shift if women’s voices are ever to be truly heard.

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In this episode, Kari and Lisa take a closer look at the phrase "just be nice" and the cultural conditioning behind it—especially for women. They explore how niceness often masks self-silencing, emotional disconnection, and fear of conflict, while true kindness is rooted in clarity, courage, and respect. Drawing from the work of Glennon Doyle, Brené Brown, Harriet Lerner, and Resmaa Menakem—as well as research from TIME Magazine, the Journal of Behavioral Medicine, and the Newport Institute—they unpack the emotional and even physical toll of chronic niceness. With humor, honesty, and some serious fire, this conversation redefines what it means to be kind without abandoning yourself. They also reference Antoinette Griffin’s video on the difference between nice and kind, and invite listeners to let go of performative likability in favor of deeper authenticity.

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In this episode of The Things We Know, Kari and Lisa get real about something most of us experience but rarely talk about: what it feels like to live in a body that’s changing. From shifting energy and brain fog to the pressure to “age gracefully,” they unpack how culture, comparison, and internalized expectations shape the way we see ourselves. With reflections from their own lives and insights from experts like Dr. Jen Gunter, Brené Brown, and Mary Pipher, they explore what it means to stay kind to yourself, release old narratives, and live well in the body you’re in—today. They acknowledge what’s hard, but also celebrate the gift of change—because aging, for all its challenges, still beats the alternative!

If you’re ready to honor the season you’re in—and live more fully in the body you have now—join Kari and Lisa this October for the Brave & Boundless retreat in Chicago. It’s a weekend for shedding old stories, deepening self-trust, and reconnecting with your power. Register now!

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In this episode, Kari and Lisa sit down with behavioral scientist and neuroscientist Dr. Amanda Wiggins to explore what’s really happening in women’s brains during midlife—and how to support clarity, creativity, and calm in a world that often demands the opposite. From the neurological effects of burnout to the hidden cost of masking exhaustion at work, they unpack why so many women feel foggy, irritable, or depleted—and what research-backed rituals can help. Amanda shares insights from her work at The cGP Lab and draws on years of experience helping high-performing women and global organizations design environments where well-being is sustainable and real. To learn more about Amanda connect with her on LinkedIn.