Kari and Lisa had other plans for this week’s episode—but the world felt too heavy to ignore. They returned to Isabel Wilkerson’s Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents because it offers something essential right now: a way to understand the invisible structure beneath so much of the chaos, cruelty, and division we’re witnessing. In this conversation, they break down key ideas from the book, reflect on their own roles in the system, and connect the dots between caste and current events—from ICE raids to economic inequality to the enforcement of social hierarchies through fear and policy. This episode is about seeing what’s really holding us back—and deciding what we’re willing to do about it.

Learn more about and read Caste, by Isabel Wilkerson

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In this episode, Kari and Lisa revisit the familiar concept of love languages—but with a much-needed upgrade. Drawing from personal experience, recent articles about research, and a sharp cultural critique, they unpack why the original framework, while helpful, doesn’t fully reflect the emotional realities women live today. They explore what’s missing—like mental load relief, shared enthusiasm, and alone time without guilt—and offer a richer, more honest take on how love is felt, expressed, and received in midlife and beyond. This is a conversation about expanding connection, not narrowing it—and evolving what love looks like now.

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Everyone’s feeling some level of stress about money in these uncertain times, so Kari and Lisa brought back financial well-being coach JD Rose—whose work is all about empowering women to shift their relationship with money. In this episode, they explore why financial struggle often isn’t about budgeting, but about safety, capacity, and the deeper stories we’ve internalized. JD shares meaningful, grounded ways to begin healing those stories and offers a fresh, compassionate perspective on what it really means to feel resourced.

Learn more and/or connect with JD Rose:

allaboutease@gmail.com

https://www.theresourcedwoman.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jd-rose/

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