In this conversation, Marc Binkley and Vassilis discuss insights from their chat with Bob Park, focusing on brand management, the importance of data in marketing, and the evolving landscape of AI. They explore how to manage multiple brands effectively, the distinction between good and bad data, and the significance of sales as a key metric. The discussion also touches on the shift towards micro-moments in marketing and the future implications of AI in the industry.

Enjoy the show!

Our Guest:

Bob Park: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-park-geappliances/

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Takeaways

• The weather can influence our mood and conversations.
• Managing multiple brands requires a nuanced understanding of market dynamics.
• Good data is essential for effective marketing strategies.
• Sales metrics should be the primary focus for marketers.
• The marketing landscape is shifting towards smaller, more frequent campaigns.
• AI is rapidly evolving and will impact marketing roles significantly.
• Understanding consumer behaviour is crucial for brand success.
• Data should guide decision-making, but clarity on what is being measured is vital.
• Collaboration across departments is essential for achieving sales goals.
• The future of marketing will involve adapting to new technologies and consumer expectations.

Chapters

• 00:00 Sunny Beginnings and Weather Talk
• 01:55 Insights from Bob Park: Managing Multiple Brands
• 05:18 Data Distinctions: Good vs. Bad
• 09:09 Sales as the Key Metric
• 12:42 The Shift to Smaller Campaigns
• 16:10 The Future of AI and Technology
• 18:05 Reflections on the Conversation

In this episode of the Sleeping Baber podcast, we engage with Bob Park, formerly the Chief Brand Officer at GE Appliances. We explore the evolving role of brand management, the importance of data-driven decision-making, and the challenges of balancing short-term and long-term marketing strategies. Bob shares insights from the Cannes Changemaker series, emphasizing the need for consumer-centric approaches and the integration of AI in marketing. Our conversation highlights the significance of building relationships within the C-suite and adapting to new media strategies in a rapidly changing landscape.

Our Guest:

• Bob Park: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-park-geappliances/

Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠

• https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠
• https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

• Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
• Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Takeaways

• The Chief Brand Officer role focuses on a house of brands approach.
• Cannes Lions Festival provided valuable insights on marketing and technology.
• Being a changemaker is essential in brand management.
• Understanding consumer needs is key to effective marketing.
• Data-driven decision-making is crucial for success.
• There is a distinction between good and bad data.
• Key metrics should guide marketing strategies.
• Navigating data overload is a challenge for marketers.
• Media strategies must evolve with changing consumer behaviour.
• AI will play a significant role in the future of marketing.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Sleeping Baba Podcast

01:03 The Role of Chief Brand Officer

03:03 Insights from the Cannes Changemaker Series

05:49 Applying Change Maker Philosophy to Brand Management

08:56 Data-Driven Decision Making in Marketing

11:50 Key Performance Indicators and Market Share

14:51 Navigating Short-Term vs Long-Term Marketing Strategies

17:57 The Evolution of Media Strategies

21:10 Adapting to the Digital Landscape

24:07 Building Relationships with the C-Suite

26:48 Justifying Marketing Investments

30:03 The Future of Marketing and AI

33:03 Conclusion and Closing Remarks

In this episode, hosts Vassilis Douros and Marc Binkley discuss things that caught there eye over the last couple of weeks including the evolution of the creator economy, challenges in retail media measurement, the impact of AI on video advertising, and the transformation of performance marketing. They also analyze Ribena's nostalgic marketing campaign, highlighting the emotional connections brands can create with consumers.

Enjoy the episode!

Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠

• https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠
• https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

• Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/
• Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Takeaways

• The creator economy is seeing significant mergers and acquisitions, indicating a shift towards formalization.
• Retail media networks are becoming increasingly fragmented, complicating measurement for advertisers.
• AI is revolutionizing video advertising, allowing smaller brands to compete with larger companies.
• Performance marketing needs to evolve from efficiency metrics to focus on consumer experience and connection.
• Brands should prioritize creating meaningful experiences over just measurable outcomes.
• The importance of breaking down silos between marketing teams to create cohesive consumer experiences.
• Measurement should go beyond last-click metrics to include engagement and journey quality.
• Ribena's campaign effectively taps into nostalgia, demonstrating the power of emotional connections in advertising.
• The rise of AI tools is making video production more accessible for smaller brands.
• Marketers need to rethink their strategies to adapt to changing consumer expectations and technological advancements.

Chapters

• 00:00 - Introduction
• 00:53 - The Evolving Creator Economy
• 04:29 - Retail Media Measurement Challenges
• 08:27 - AI's Impact on Video Advertising
• 12:19 - Innovative Marketing Strategies in Film
• 15:55 - The Intersection of Film and Marketing
• 17:12 - Evolving Performance Marketing to Experience Marketing
• 21:51 - Redefining Success in Marketing
• 25:24 - Nostalgia in Advertising: The Ribena Campaign

Links:

Creator Economy Mergers and Acquisitions Heating Up!

Link: https://www.businessinsider.com/creator-economy-mergers-acquisitions-heating-up-startups-private-equity-media-2025-7

Brands demand better retail media measurement; retailers say it's not that easy; brands spend more anyway – latest IAB data

Link: https://www.mi-3.com.au/16-07-2025/retail-media-partners-pile-brands-boost-investment-iab-report-pins-measurement-major

GenAI Is Coming for Your Commercials

Link: https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/nearly-90-percent-of-advertisers-will-use-gen-ai-to-build-video-ads-according-to-iab

Brad Pitt’s F1 Movie Marketing: Full-Throttle Strategy Breakdown

Link: https://www.brandvm.com/post/f1-movie-2025-marketing-strategy-brad-pitt

The Marketing Moment

Performance Marketing to Experience Engineering

Link: https://thecma.ca/topic/articles/2025/06/10/from-performance-marketing-to-experience-marketing--engineering-meaningful-consumer-connections

In this post-pod, Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros reflect on their conversation with David and their collective experiences at Cannes. They discuss the evolving landscape of marketing, the tension between data-driven strategies and the fast-paced media environment, and the importance of long-term campaigns. They explore the role of AI in marketing and the significance of creative strategies, while also highlighting the evolution of the Cannes festival into a global marketing ecosystem.

We hope you enjoy this show!

Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Chapters

00:00 - Post-Cannes Reflections

01:38 - The Tension Between Data and Media

04:52 - Long-Term Campaign Strategies

09:12 - Redefining Campaigns

10:33 - The Hum and the Beats of Marketing

12:21 - The Power of AI in Marketing

14:55 - The Evolution of Cannes Festival

In this conversation, Vassilis Douros and David Tiltman discuss the evolution of the Cannes Lions Festival, highlighting its growth and the dual nature of the event (The festival within the festival), which encompasses both creativity and marketing effectiveness. They explore the importance of connecting creativity with commercial frameworks, the impact of AI on marketing, and the significance of craft in advertising.

The discussion also touches on the American marketing landscape and the future of Lions Intelligence, emphasizing the need for effective communication in marketing strategies.

We hope you enjoy the show!

Our Guest:

David Tiltman

Chief Content Officer, WARC; SVP Content, LIONS Intelligence

https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-tiltman-5a2a6614/

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Episode Takeaways:

• Cannes Lions has evolved significantly since 2008, becoming a major global marketing event.
• The festival includes both a core event and a vibrant fringe, offering diverse experiences.
• Creativity must be linked to commercial effectiveness in today's marketing landscape.
• The rise of AI is reshaping how marketers approach creativity and effectiveness.
• Craftsmanship in marketing is essential and cannot be easily automated.
• The American marketing landscape is sophisticated but has its challenges.
• The Multiplier Effect highlights the importance of effective marketing strategies.
• Marketers need to communicate effectiveness in relatable terms to a broader audience.
• The tension between best practices and market trends is a significant challenge.
• Lions Intelligence aims to provide valuable insights and tools for marketers.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

00:58 - The Evolution of Cannes Festival

03:48 - Experiencing the Fringe and Spontaneity

05:55 - Making Effectiveness Entertaining

07:54 - Balancing Creativity and Effectiveness

09:45 - The Shift in Festival Programming

11:48 - The Multiplier Effect and Industry Response

14:24 - Emerging Trends and Frameworks

16:10 - The Evolving Landscape of Marketing Practices

18:40 - Navigating the Creator Economy and Brand Recognition

21:30 - The Craft of Marketing: Balancing Creativity and Consistency

22:46 - American Marketing: Insights and Challenges

27:34 - Introducing Lions Intelligence: A New Era in Marketing Research

In this episode of Barber's Brief, Vassilis Douros is riding solo discussing various marketing trends and insights, including the economic implications of the Calgary Stampede, shifts in Google Ads following AI integration, the impact of viral content on brand growth, MasterCard's pivot to experiential marketing, effective retargeting strategies, and Stella Artois' creative campaign for Wimbledon.

Each topic highlights the evolving landscape of marketing and the importance of adapting strategies to meet consumer needs and behaviors.

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Takeaways

The Calgary Stampede serves as an unofficial economic indicator.

Attendance at the Stampede is on pace to break records.

Google Ads are seeing a decline in click-through rates post-AI integration.

Longer queries are becoming more common in search behavior.

Viral content does not always correlate with brand growth.

Experiential marketing is becoming more important than traditional ads.

Generic ads can outperform personalized retargeting ads in certain contexts.

Timing is crucial for effective retargeting strategies.

Stella Artois' Wimbledon campaign creatively aligns with cultural events.

Emotional connections in marketing are essential for brand differentiation.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

00:57 - Calgary Stampede: Economic Indicator

03:14 - Shifts in Google Ads Post-AI

06:33 - The Long and Short of Advertising

07:58 - MasterCard's Experiential Marketing Shift

11:10 - Retargeting: When Does It Work?

17:36 - Stella Artois: Wimbledon Campaign Highlights

Links:

Calgary Stampede: What the 'Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth' says about the economy - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-calgary-stampede-2025-1.7577533

Google Ads data shows query length shift post-AI Mode - https://searchengineland.com/google-ads-data-shows-query-length-shift-post-ai-mode-458162

Post from Andrew Tindal about the Long & Short (form) of it - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrew-tindall_advertising-marketing-activity-7346158065483718657-bp2y

Advertising is not working the way it used to’: Why Mastercard has pivoted to an experiential future - https://www.marketingweek.com/advertising-not-working-mastercard-experiential/

Marketing Moment:

When does Retargeting Work?

https://ide.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/2011.12_Lambrecht_Tucker_When-Does-Retargeting-Work_311.pdf?x88505

Dressed in White for Wimbledon - https://www.famouscampaigns.com/2025/07/stella-artois-serves-up-limited-edition-white-can-for-wimbledon

From Performance Marketing To Experience Marketing

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/from-performance-marketing-experience-engineering-consumer-douros-hasdc

Marc Binkley and Vassilis Douros discuss their insights from their recent episode featuring Dale Harrison, Zombie Metrics: Don't Fall for Misleading Data.

They explore the concept of 'zombie metrics' in marketing, the outdated funnel model, and the importance of intent data.

The discussion highlights the importance of data literacy among marketers and the significance of marketing effectiveness principles in driving business results. Our hosts reflect on the evolving landscape of marketing and the necessity of adapting to new insights and methodologies.

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https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Takeaways

Zombie metrics can mislead marketers.

The traditional funnel model is no longer effective.

Intent data should be used holistically, not just for conversions.

Data literacy is crucial for interpreting marketing metrics.

Marketers must validate their metrics to ensure accuracy.

Curiosity about data sources enhances understanding.

Marketing effectiveness principles are essential for real results.

Dale Harrison's insights provide valuable perspectives.

The consumer journey is more compressed than ever.

Being open to being wrong fosters growth in marketing.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Context Setting

01:07 - Exploring Zombie Metrics

04:16 - The Outdated Funnel Model

08:51 - Intent Data and Its Implications

13:29 - Marketing Effectiveness Principles

In this episode, Dale Harrison discusses the concept of 'zombie metrics' and their misleading nature in marketing.

He emphasizes the importance of data literacy for marketers to gain credibility and make informed decisions. The conversation critiques the traditional funnel model, suggesting it is outdated and does not accurately represent the marketing process.

Dale proposes a new way of thinking about marketing metrics, focusing on the impact of brand marketing and the often unreliable nature of intent data.

Enjoy the show!

Our guest:

Dale Harrison

Consultant - Inforda Life Sciences Services

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalewharrison/

Follow our updates here: ⁠⁠

https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca

Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

02:12 - Understanding Zombie Metrics

10:28 - The Importance of Data Literacy in Marketing

12:21 - The Role of Financial Metrics in Marketing

22:04 - The Funnel vs. Gumball Machine Model in Marketing

26:41 - The Evolution of Sales Tactics

29:21 - Understanding Marketing Models and Buyer Behaviour

30:22 - The Role of Memory in Marketing

32:36 - Measuring Marketing Effectiveness

35:29 - The Impact of Brand Marketing

37:51 - The Misconception of Intent in Marketing

45:12 - The Limitations of Intent Data

Takeaways

Zombie metrics can mislead marketers and decision-makers.

Data literacy is essential for credibility in marketing.

The traditional funnel model is outdated and oversimplified.

Marketing should focus on altering future buyer behaviour.

Brand marketing has a lasting impact on consumer memory.

Intent data is often unreliable and can lead to false assumptions.

Marketers need to evaluate the metrics they use critically.

Understanding contribution margin is crucial for marketing effectiveness.

Effective marketing requires a balance of performance and brand strategies.

The cost of acquiring customers is often exaggerated in marketing discussions.