As geopolitical tensions rise, responsible investors are asking tough questions: Is there a case for responsible investment in defence? In this episode, Nathan Fabian, Chief Sustainable Systems Officer at PRI, is joined by Mark Wade (Allianz Global Investors), Estelle Parker (Responsible Investment Association Australasia), and Torben Möger Pedersen (Danish Foreign Policy Society; former CEO, PensionDanmark) to explore whether defence can be considered part of responsible investment, and if so, under what conditions.

Overview

The discussion examines the complexities of defence in the environmental, social and governance context. With NATO members increasing their budgetary commitments and European states boosting spending, defence is becoming a more prevalent part of the investment landscape. Yet reputational, human rights, and environmental risks remain at the forefront of investor concerns. The panel unpacks exclusion versus inclusion approaches, the rise of dual-use technologies, transparency challenges, and the role of stewardship in shaping defence practices.

Detailed Coverage

• The case for defence investment: Torben argues that democracy and national security are foundational, making military capacity essential to safeguarding rights and advancing long-term societal goals.
• Human rights and environmental risks: Estelle highlights investor obligations for heightened due diligence, noting reputational, environmental, corruption, and legal risks tied to weapons.
• Evolving client expectations: Mark outlines shifting European regulation and investor sentiment, with non-labelled funds more open to limited defence exposure under strict conditions.
• Dual-use technologies: The blurred line between civilian and military innovation (cyber, AI, drones, green energy) challenges investors to navigate benefits and risks.
• Transparency and disclosure: All panelists agree that investors need clearer reporting from defence companies — not on classified technology, but on customers, contracts, and safeguards.
• Stewardship opportunity: Rather than blanket exclusion, investors could push for higher standards by engaging directly with defence companies and shaping industry norms.

Chapters

• 00:44 – Why defence is back on the agenda
• 02:09 – Democracy, defence, adding the “D” into ESG?
• 05:26 – Human rights, reputational, and environmental risks
• 08:53 – Ukraine, NATO, and the defence boom
• 11:47 – Client expectations and regulatory shifts
• 16:08 – Responsible investing frameworks: defence as social necessity?
• 18:24 – Due diligence, customers, and sanctions
• 23:31 – Stewardship, standards, and defence bonds
• 28:33 – Dual-use technologies and transparency
• 37:36 – Human rights due diligence in practice
• 40:04 – Policy, regulation, and long-term certainty
• 45:00 – Final reflections on the future of defenCe investing
• 47:16 – The responsibility of investors in today’s world

Keywords

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With just weeks to go until COP30 in Belém, Brazil, the world’s attention is turning to how global climate commitments can move from promise to practice. Investors are central to this shift — from financing the transition to engaging with policymakers - all of which we’ll be discussing at PRI in Person in São Paulo, just days before COP30 kicks off. In this episode, Tamsin Ballard, Chief Investor Initiatives Officer at the PRI, speaks to Ana Toni, CEO of COP30, about the critical role of the investment community in shaping outcomes at this year’s UN Climate Conference.

Overview

COP30 marks a pivotal moment: the first time all elements of the Paris Agreement’s “full cycle” come into play. Countries must submit their decarbonisation and adaptation plans through to 2035, setting the framework that will guide both public and private capital flows. Against the backdrop of worsening climate impacts — and all this as the Amazon rainforest hosts — the stakes for implementation have never been higher.

Ana Toni outlines her three cross-cutting priorities for COP30:

1. Protecting the multilateral system to ensure global cooperation.
2. Connecting global negotiations to everyday realities of consumption, financing, and business.
3. Accelerating implementation — shifting from frameworks to real-world action.

Detailed Coverage

• Why COPs matter: From the Paris Agreement to carbon market reforms, COP outcomes shape financial systems, consumer choices, and long-term investor strategies.
• Decade after Paris: Governments now must present their 2035 climate plans, providing clarity and certainty for private sector investment.
• The finance dimension: COP30 will build on COP29’s focus on climate finance, aiming to mobilise far greater flows of capital — especially to developing countries.
• Risks and opportunities for investors: Climate change presents both physical and financial risks, but also growth opportunities in renewable energy, agriculture, sustainable infrastructure, and emerging markets.
• Investor engagement: COP30 is positioned as a platform for matchmaking — connecting regulators, private sector innovators, and financiers to accelerate solutions in areas like SAF, green hydrogen, and agriculture.
• From promise to practice: Both PRI in Person (São Paulo) and COP30 (Belém) are highlighted as forums where investors can move beyond commitments into specific, scalable solutions.

Chapters

• 00:43 – Setting the stage: COP30 and investor relevance
• 02:31 – Role of the COP30 CEO and the negotiation process
• 04:09 – Why COP decisions affect finance and daily life
• 06:37 – Priorities and hopes for COP30
• 10:17 – 2035 plans and Paris Agreement “full cycle”
• 12:51 – Risks and opportunities for investors
• 16:54 – Practical ways investors can engage with COP30
• 19:14 – PRI in Person as a platform for dialogue
• 22:27 – The responsibility of investing: acting now for the long term

For more information on PRI in person, or its plans for COP30, please visit the following links:

PRI in Person 2025 - 4-6 November

The Road to COP30

Keywords

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Intro / Hook

The PRI Awards showcase the very best in responsible investment — but they also reveal much more. In this episode Paul Van Eynde, Chief Marketing & Strategy Officer at the PRI chats to award judge Claire Hierons of the Laudes Foundation and Dan Neale from the Church Commissioners for England, shortlisted for recognition. The conversation highlights how investors are embracing stewardship, system-level thinking, and accountability to drive real-world impact.

Overview

The PRI Awards are designed to spotlight leadership and innovation among PRI signatories, spanning asset owners, investment managers, and service providers. With over 139 submissions this year across categories including climate, nature, human rights, stewardship, and communications, the awards reflect the diversity and maturity of responsible investment worldwide.

Claire Hierons shares insights from her experience as a judge, noting the evolution of systemic stewardship and the growing sophistication of entries. Dan Neale discusses the Church Commissioners’ submission on the Investor Initiative for Human Rights Data (IIHRD) and why human rights must be central to addressing systemic risks such as climate change and inequality.

Detailed Coverage

• The role of the PRI Awards: Encouraging leadership, transparency, and innovation across the investment chain.
• Global coverage: Submissions from emerging and developed markets, showing that sustainability leadership is not limited by geography.
• Church Commissioners’ human rights initiative: Collaboration with global investors to strengthen human rights data, integrate it into stewardship, and ensure accountability across public markets.
• Systemic responsibility: Both guests stress the need for investors to see fiduciary duty not only as delivering returns but also as protecting the systems that underpin future value.

Chapters

• 00:44 – Introduction to the PRI Awards and categories
• 05:45 – Reflections on judging the awards
• 08:00 – Trends in responsible investment submissions
• 10:47 – The rise of global leadership in sustainability
• 11:42 – The Church Commissioners and their stewardship approach
• 14:05 – The Investor Initiative for Human Rights Data (IIHRD)
• 16:18 – Human rights as a systemic risk
• 17:12 – Embedding human rights into policy and stewardship practices
• 19:16 – Addressing data gaps and disclosure challenges
• 24:19 – What does “The Responsibility of Investing” mean today?

Keywords

responsible investment, PRI Awards, Laudes Foundation, Church Commissioners, stewardship, systemic risk, fiduciary duty, sustainability in finance, climate change, biodiversity, human rights in investing, ESG data, IIHRD, universal asset owners, just transition, investor innovation, responsible business practices, transparency in investing, New York Climate Week

How does a leading investment fund fully integrate stewardship and sustainability into its strategy?

In this episode of The Responsibility of Investing, Cambria Allen-Ratzlaff, Chief Responsible Investment Ecosystems Officer at the PRI, is joined by Jonathan Grabel, Chief Investment Officer for the Los Angeles County Employees Retirement Association (LACERA). They discuss how LACERA incorporates responsible investment principles across all asset classes, driven by a strong fiduciary duty to its beneficiaries.

Jonathan shares insights into LACERA’s governance structure, investment beliefs, and the operational integration of stewardship and the TIDE (Towards Inclusion, Diversity & Equity) programme. The conversation explores the role of data, proxy voting, and climate scenario analysis in managing risk and generating durable, risk-adjusted returns. Listeners will gain a clear understanding of how sustainability is embedded at every level of LACERA’s investment process to protect and grow assets for current and future retirees.

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Can sustainability truly redefine the landscape of private markets and drive unprecedented financial value?

In this episode of The Responsibility of Investing, Kate Webber, Chief Solutions & Technology Officer at the PRI is joined by Aditya Vikram, Head of Private Equity at the PRI to explore a topic that’s transforming private markets: sustainability as a driver of financial value.

Discover how sustainability has shifted from a mere buzzword to an essential element of business resilience and capital formation. With insights drawn from over 400 global investors, Aditya demonstrates how sustainability's role as a key driver for financial value transcends geographical boundaries. Learn how tools like AI and data analytics are revolutionising the identification of sustainability risks and opportunities, making them a cornerstone of modern investment strategies.

Hear insights into the PRI's ‘sustainability value creation framework’, developed with Bain & Company and NYU Stern Centre for Sustainable Business and involving over 400 investors through a world-wide survey, one-to-one interviews, and regional workshops across Africa, Asia, Europe, and Latin and North America.

Chapters:

02:15 - The evolution of sustainability in private markets

06:08 - Shifting perspectives on sustainability and value creation

13:11 - The journey of sustainability value creation

18:31 - Integrating sustainability into investment practices

21:02 - Value creation framework in sustainability investing

How is AI revolutionising the way we approach responsible investing? In this episode, Paul Van Eynde, Chief Marketing & Strategy Officer at the PRI is joined by Lorenzo Saa, Chief Sustainability Officer at Clarity AI, to explore how technological innovation is reshaping the investment landscape.

Lorenzo shares his journey from microfinance to becoming a front-runner in sustainable investments, offering insights into the transition from traditional analyst-driven models to pioneering data and technology-driven solutions at Clarity AI. Hear how AI can be used as a collaborative tool to enhance understanding of sustainability issues and opening new avenues for improved investment outcomes, particularly in emerging markets, leveraging alternative data sets and using AI for environmental monitoring.

Focusing on the interplay between human and artificial intelligence in the investment realm, Lorenzo explains that AI tools not only enhance productivity but also offer deeper insights, likening AI’s capabilities to those of a cheetah for speed and an owl for wisdom. As we routinely increase the adoption of these technologies, Lorenzo advocates for a proactive approach to integrating AI into responsible investing, while ensuring transparency and aligning with client expectations.

With more than 5,000 PRI signatories navigating different mandates, asset mixes, and sustainability priorities, a one-size-fits-all approach to responsible investment no longer works.

In this episode, our host and Chief Marketing & Strategy Officer Paul Van Eynde speaks to our Chief Sustainable Systems Officer, Nathan Fabian, to unpack the thinking behind the PRI’s Pathways framework, designed to reflect the real-world complexity of responsible investment and support signatories in ways that make sense for them.

Later, our Chief Solutions and Technology Officer, Kate Webber, explains how her team is bringing that framework to life, turning it into a product signatories can use and interact with through MyPRI, our new digital portal launching in November.

For more on Pathways and MyPRI, visit: https://pathways.unpri.org

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In the inaugural episode of the relaunched The Responsibility of Investing podcast Paul Van Eynde, Chief Marketing & Strategy Officer at the PRI chats with José Pugas, Partner & Chief Sustainability Officer at Regia Capital about the upcoming COP30 in Belem, Brazil in November 2025 to explore the critical intersection of finance and environmental responsibility .

José shares the pivotal role of nature in investment strategies and offers invaluable insights into Regia Capital’s establishment as a joint venture between Brazilian giants JGP Asset Management and Banco do Brasil Asset Management, highlighting their pioneering role in green finance within Brazil's ecological transition framework.

With a focus on Brazil, explore the challenges and opportunities associated with nature-based solutions. José highlights the importance of collaborating with experts outside the financial sector and emphasizes the potential for global investors to support emerging markets in their transition to low-carbon economies. This underscores the need to move beyond traditional approaches and embrace a broader understanding of investment opportunities linked to nature and sustainability.

Join us in São Paulo from November 4–6, 2025, for PRI in Person, our annual flagship global conference on responsible investment, strategically timed just before the COP30 in Belem. As a gathering of over 1,000 institutional investors, policymakers, corporates, and sustainable finance leaders, this event is a powerhouse of collaboration and innovation on critical responsible investment issues.

Taking place in Brazil, the heart of immense biodiversity and green finance opportunities, PRI in Person will drive impactful connections to mobilise capital for emerging markets and tackle urgent climate and nature challenges. With COP30 as a pivotal moment for nations to enhance their climate commitments, the conference ensures strategic alignment for ambitious investments that align with a net-zero, sustainable future.

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