As geopolitical tensions rise, responsible investors are asking tough questions: Is there a case for responsible investment in defence? In this episode, Nathan Fabian, Chief Sustainable Systems Officer at PRI, is joined by Mark Wade (Allianz Global Investors), Estelle Parker (Responsible Investment Association Australasia), and Torben Möger Pedersen (Danish Foreign Policy Society; former CEO, PensionDanmark) to explore whether defence can be considered part of responsible investment, and if so, under what conditions.

Overview

The discussion examines the complexities of defence in the environmental, social and governance context. With NATO members increasing their budgetary commitments and European states boosting spending, defence is becoming a more prevalent part of the investment landscape. Yet reputational, human rights, and environmental risks remain at the forefront of investor concerns. The panel unpacks exclusion versus inclusion approaches, the rise of dual-use technologies, transparency challenges, and the role of stewardship in shaping defence practices.

Detailed Coverage

• The case for defence investment: Torben argues that democracy and national security are foundational, making military capacity essential to safeguarding rights and advancing long-term societal goals.
• Human rights and environmental risks: Estelle highlights investor obligations for heightened due diligence, noting reputational, environmental, corruption, and legal risks tied to weapons.
• Evolving client expectations: Mark outlines shifting European regulation and investor sentiment, with non-labelled funds more open to limited defence exposure under strict conditions.
• Dual-use technologies: The blurred line between civilian and military innovation (cyber, AI, drones, green energy) challenges investors to navigate benefits and risks.
• Transparency and disclosure: All panelists agree that investors need clearer reporting from defence companies — not on classified technology, but on customers, contracts, and safeguards.
• Stewardship opportunity: Rather than blanket exclusion, investors could push for higher standards by engaging directly with defence companies and shaping industry norms.

Chapters

• 00:44 – Why defence is back on the agenda
• 02:09 – Democracy, defence, adding the “D” into ESG?
• 05:26 – Human rights, reputational, and environmental risks
• 08:53 – Ukraine, NATO, and the defence boom
• 11:47 – Client expectations and regulatory shifts
• 16:08 – Responsible investing frameworks: defence as social necessity?
• 18:24 – Due diligence, customers, and sanctions
• 23:31 – Stewardship, standards, and defence bonds
• 28:33 – Dual-use technologies and transparency
• 37:36 – Human rights due diligence in practice
• 40:04 – Policy, regulation, and long-term certainty
• 45:00 – Final reflections on the future of defenCe investing
• 47:16 – The responsibility of investors in today’s world

Keywords

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With just weeks to go until COP30 in Belém, Brazil, the world’s attention is turning to how global climate commitments can move from promise to practice. Investors are central to this shift — from financing the transition to engaging with policymakers - all of which we’ll be discussing at PRI in Person in São Paulo, just days before COP30 kicks off. In this episode, Tamsin Ballard, Chief Investor Initiatives Officer at the PRI, speaks to Ana Toni, CEO of COP30, about the critical role of the investment community in shaping outcomes at this year’s UN Climate Conference.

Overview

COP30 marks a pivotal moment: the first time all elements of the Paris Agreement’s “full cycle” come into play. Countries must submit their decarbonisation and adaptation plans through to 2035, setting the framework that will guide both public and private capital flows. Against the backdrop of worsening climate impacts — and all this as the Amazon rainforest hosts — the stakes for implementation have never been higher.

Ana Toni outlines her three cross-cutting priorities for COP30:

1. Protecting the multilateral system to ensure global cooperation.
2. Connecting global negotiations to everyday realities of consumption, financing, and business.
3. Accelerating implementation — shifting from frameworks to real-world action.

Detailed Coverage

• Why COPs matter: From the Paris Agreement to carbon market reforms, COP outcomes shape financial systems, consumer choices, and long-term investor strategies.
• Decade after Paris: Governments now must present their 2035 climate plans, providing clarity and certainty for private sector investment.
• The finance dimension: COP30 will build on COP29’s focus on climate finance, aiming to mobilise far greater flows of capital — especially to developing countries.
• Risks and opportunities for investors: Climate change presents both physical and financial risks, but also growth opportunities in renewable energy, agriculture, sustainable infrastructure, and emerging markets.
• Investor engagement: COP30 is positioned as a platform for matchmaking — connecting regulators, private sector innovators, and financiers to accelerate solutions in areas like SAF, green hydrogen, and agriculture.
• From promise to practice: Both PRI in Person (São Paulo) and COP30 (Belém) are highlighted as forums where investors can move beyond commitments into specific, scalable solutions.

Chapters

• 00:43 – Setting the stage: COP30 and investor relevance
• 02:31 – Role of the COP30 CEO and the negotiation process
• 04:09 – Why COP decisions affect finance and daily life
• 06:37 – Priorities and hopes for COP30
• 10:17 – 2035 plans and Paris Agreement “full cycle”
• 12:51 – Risks and opportunities for investors
• 16:54 – Practical ways investors can engage with COP30
• 19:14 – PRI in Person as a platform for dialogue
• 22:27 – The responsibility of investing: acting now for the long term

For more information on PRI in person, or its plans for COP30, please visit the following links:

PRI in Person 2025 - 4-6 November

The Road to COP30

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Intro / Hook

The PRI Awards showcase the very best in responsible investment — but they also reveal much more. In this episode Paul Van Eynde, Chief Marketing & Strategy Officer at the PRI chats to award judge Claire Hierons of the Laudes Foundation and Dan Neale from the Church Commissioners for England, shortlisted for recognition. The conversation highlights how investors are embracing stewardship, system-level thinking, and accountability to drive real-world impact.

Overview

The PRI Awards are designed to spotlight leadership and innovation among PRI signatories, spanning asset owners, investment managers, and service providers. With over 139 submissions this year across categories including climate, nature, human rights, stewardship, and communications, the awards reflect the diversity and maturity of responsible investment worldwide.

Claire Hierons shares insights from her experience as a judge, noting the evolution of systemic stewardship and the growing sophistication of entries. Dan Neale discusses the Church Commissioners’ submission on the Investor Initiative for Human Rights Data (IIHRD) and why human rights must be central to addressing systemic risks such as climate change and inequality.

Detailed Coverage

• The role of the PRI Awards: Encouraging leadership, transparency, and innovation across the investment chain.
• Global coverage: Submissions from emerging and developed markets, showing that sustainability leadership is not limited by geography.
• Church Commissioners’ human rights initiative: Collaboration with global investors to strengthen human rights data, integrate it into stewardship, and ensure accountability across public markets.
• Systemic responsibility: Both guests stress the need for investors to see fiduciary duty not only as delivering returns but also as protecting the systems that underpin future value.

Chapters

• 00:44 – Introduction to the PRI Awards and categories
• 05:45 – Reflections on judging the awards
• 08:00 – Trends in responsible investment submissions
• 10:47 – The rise of global leadership in sustainability
• 11:42 – The Church Commissioners and their stewardship approach
• 14:05 – The Investor Initiative for Human Rights Data (IIHRD)
• 16:18 – Human rights as a systemic risk
• 17:12 – Embedding human rights into policy and stewardship practices
• 19:16 – Addressing data gaps and disclosure challenges
• 24:19 – What does “The Responsibility of Investing” mean today?

Keywords

responsible investment, PRI Awards, Laudes Foundation, Church Commissioners, stewardship, systemic risk, fiduciary duty, sustainability in finance, climate change, biodiversity, human rights in investing, ESG data, IIHRD, universal asset owners, just transition, investor innovation, responsible business practices, transparency in investing, New York Climate Week