Yvonne Nash didn’t grow up in church. She grew up above her parents’ bar in Milwaukee, exposed early to a world most kids never see.

Years later, a simple invitation to feed the homeless changed everything.

In this conversation, Ralph Moore talks with Yvonne about:

• Why attending church didn’t transform her (but discipleship did)
• What raw, first-generation faith looks like today
• Why Gen Z conversions don’t look like past revivals
• And how God is reaching thousands through TikTok, not church buildings

Yvonne is now an ordained pastor discipling people online who have no religious memory to return to—only hunger, wounds, and questions.

Chestly planted a church and did everything the prevailing model taught him. He was miserable. Depressed. The church wasn't growing fast enough. Then a pastor he hadn't talked to in a decade sent him a Facebook message: "Your only job is to love my people." That changed everything. This episode wrestles with significance versus success. Stage speaking versus real relationships. Why digital community is as real as physical. How AI and social media are tools—like axes, useful or dangerous depending on whose hands they're in. You'll hear about Christian influencers reaching millions, shepherds guiding people in digital spaces, and why five-year plans don't work anymore. Technology doubles human knowledge every 16 to 18 months. Churches move slower. That's okay. Community never goes out of style. Focus there. Use whatever tools reduce friction. That's not digital ministry. That's just ministry in the digital age.

Sunday-centric churches get three to four hours a week with their people. Social media gets two to three hours a day. You can fight that reality or you can work with it. Chestly breaks down the difference between digital noise and actual community. He walks through Paul's hub strategy in Ephesus—how the Roman road system created a first-century network that looks surprisingly like what we have now. You'll learn Rick Warren's stages of community and why most churches stop short. Discover why your Sunday morning event might be keeping you from building the structures where people actually grow. This isn't about killing the mega church. It's about understanding what serves what. The best part? Mid-sized churches have a secret advantage. You can move fast. You're relational. You don't need new buildings or staff. You just need to flip the model right-side up.