Jones claims a pandemic can't work like that. It either spreads very fast or it's very lethal, but not both. Daniels accepts this take without pushback, though secretly he's a little skeptical of where Jones gets this sort of information. Note that neither have the slightest knowledge of virology or immunology. Steve also for some reason hates the name Kirsten. Daniels defends his friend named Kirsten. Also Shakespeare. This is the level of depth of analysis fans have come to expect from the fellas, and they don't disappoint in this scintillating episode.

Special guest Libman--author of three books of fiction, most recently, Shocker in Gloomtown--joins the fellas to talk food TV. We got our beloved RIP Anthony Bourdain in post-apocalyptic (but still cool) Detroit on the plus side. On the negatory sits food critic Pete Wells' epic and epically hilarious takedown on Guy Fieri's restaurant in Times Square. It all adds up to a tasty time at good old Tommy's.

Once again, the podcast opens its internal meetings up to the public because they're all about transparency. Tune in for some of the best ideas you've ever heard. (No corporate spies!)

Jones loves to shift his stick. Daniels has a thing for Guatemalan buses. Together, they meander into a conversation about the dangers of too much tech and the subtle benefits of doing it the old fashioned way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Camioneta

The fellows set up shop in an event space for Augustana College's 2025 Fall Symposium: Voice and Vision. Luckily, The Moon Under Water's got both!

Attendees were wowed by the wit and penetrating analysis. K & S were surprised and delighted by the engagement of this knowledgeable audience. All in all, a splendid time was had by all.

Alice Munro is one of the greatest short story writers in the English language, ever. Daniels loved her work. Recommended it. Taught it. He wasn't alone. For her entire career, Munro was literary royalty. Now that she's dead, we learn that she, like basically all of her characters, was a really messed up human being. Specifically, when she learned that her husband was sexually assaulting Munro's young daughter, Munro took the dude's side, despite irrefutable evidence. Who would have thought that a writer famous for twisted, selfish, and unsettling characters would turn out to be a twisted, selfish, and unsettling person? Tune in for the fellas' various takes, on the article that exposed the ugly truth, and "Wild Swans," a fictional story that in hindsight seems all too realistic.

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/literature-and-writing/wild-swans-alice-munro

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/08/nx-s1-5032827/alice-munro-daughter-abuse-stepfather

The podcast isn't about hating. Not really. The gents are lovers. They want to like the stuff they talk about. And that's why the Mickey 17 was such a tragedy. To rinse the taste of that unfortunate film from their maws, they rewatched an under appreciated little gem called Moon.

Spoiler: same premise, minus the slapstick sketch comedy. Really, it would suck to be a clone. Also, the robot is the best character. Listen in for those and many more invaluable bytes of info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_(2009_film)

Daniels always liked good old Val Kilmer, may he rest in peace. He was thinking of discussing the actor's first film, the slapstick Top Secret, but all kinds of people on Facebook recommended Real Genius. Succumbing to peer pressure, he listened, and the fellas watched. It's an okay '80s comedy. But hey, when you're meeting at the pub, any topic can lead to better than average bar talk.