In this episode of The Executive & The Mystic, Fred LeFranc and Kristina Wiltsee explore a foundational leadership principle through a live dialectic exercise: Is the universe neutral—or is it love?

Rather than arguing for a single “right” answer, they model a process leaders can use to examine opposing perspectives, hold paradox, and arrive at deeper clarity through synthesis. They demonstrate how meaning is created—not imposed—and why perspective determines both suffering and growth.

Using real-world examples, leadership frameworks, and even The Wizard of Oz, this episode shows how leaders can move beyond victimhood, rigid beliefs, and emotional reactivity into choice, coherence, and mature agency.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What dialectics really are—and why leaders need them
• The difference between reacting to events and choosing meaning
• How “the universe is neutral” creates freedom and responsibility
• How “the universe is love” expands capacity and compassion
• Why synthesis is more powerful than picking a side
• How head, heart, and gut intelligence work together
• What leadership looks like beyond victimhood and blame

Timestamps

• 00:00 Welcome & framing the conversation
• 01:28 What dialectics are and why they matter
• 03:00 The principle: “The universe is neutral”
• 06:40 Thesis: the universe is neutral
• 08:43 Antithesis: the universe is love
• 12:12 Synthesis: holding both perspectives
• 15:21 Head, heart, and gut intelligence
• 18:09 Victimhood, meaning, and responsibility
• 23:15 Wisdom from The Wizard of Oz
• 29:01 Applying dialectics in life and leadership
• 30:13 Closing reflections & invitation

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In this episode of The Executive & The Mystic, Fred LeFranc and Kristina Wiltsee dive deep into the Drama Triangle—the familiar yet often invisible cycle of victim, persecutor, and rescuer that plays out in our personal lives, leadership roles, and organizational cultures.

Drawing from decades of lived experience, coaching, and psychological frameworks, they explore how people get trapped in victimhood, why the drama triangle is so addictive, and how leaders unknowingly reinforce these dynamics at work and at home.

This episode is an honest, compassionate exploration of responsibility, free will, language, gratitude, and what it truly means to reclaim your power.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• How the Drama Triangle operates in personal and professional settings
• Why victimhood feels powerful—and why it ultimately keeps you stuck
• The role of language in reinforcing or dissolving victim dynamics
• How leaders and organizations slip into collective victimhood
• The difference between rescuing and coaching
• What it means to become a Victor through intentional choice
• Why the Vessel stage is about service without ego
• How gratitude acts as the bridge between victim, victor, and vessel

Timestamps

• 00:00 Introduction & why the Drama Triangle matters
• 02:30 Understanding victim, persecutor, and rescuer roles
• 06:15 How victimhood shows up in leadership and culture
• 10:45 Language patterns that reinforce drama
• 15:20 Why rescuing keeps people stuck
• 19:40 The Empowerment Dynamic explained
• 24:30 Moving from victim to victor
• 29:10 The concept of the Vessel
• 34:05 Gratitude as a leadership practice
• 38:40 Personal responsibility and free will
• 42:30 Closing reflections & invitation

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In this episode of The Executive & The Mystic, Fred LeFranc and Kristina Wiltsee introduce a powerful leadership framework built around altitude and perspective. Using the metaphor of flight, they walk through the different “altitudes” leaders move through—from grounded presence to transactional problem-solving, strategic reflection, integrative heart intelligence, and transcendent perspective.

You’ll learn why leaders get stuck when they live at one altitude too long, how perspective changes everything, and how emotional intelligence, compassion, and clarity emerge as you rise—and land—intentionally.

This episode blends leadership, neuroscience, mindfulness, and lived business experience into a practical map you can use every day.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why perspective (“altitude”) determines how problems feel and resolve
• The five key leadership altitudes and what each one is best for
• How the transactional mind creates burnout when it runs unchecked
• Why emotional intelligence requires an integrated heart
• How compassion, intuition, and strategy work together
• When transcendence becomes a gift—and when it becomes avoidance
• Why great leaders know how to land, not just rise
• Simple mantras and daily rituals to move between states with intention

Timestamps

• 00:00 Introduction & leadership perspective
• 00:24 Altitude and attitude explained
• 01:06 Perspective shift through a business lens
• 02:18 0 ft — Grounded leadership
• 05:03 Grounding rituals and nervous system regulation
• 08:33 500 ft — Transactional leadership
• 12:16 Empowerment vs. victimhood
• 15:15 5,000 ft — Strategic leadership perspective
• 19:23 15,000 ft — Heart-centered leadership
• 29:07 35,000 ft — Transcendence and surrender
• 35:21 Learning to land as a leader
• 39:23 Final reflections & next steps

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