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We recorded our 61st episode on Wednesday, November 12, 2025 focusing a bit deeper on referrals, referral marketing, and shades of referrals. From the "Here's a phone number to call" to "this is a closed deal, they are ready to pay you", there are many shades of referrals. What are the differences? The amount of time and effort for the sales person to close the deal and the depth and strength of the relationship between the three parties involved in a referral.

Miles and I met at a networking event (in 2012!) and we've passed dozens (hundreds?) of referrals worth tens of thousands of dollars. Enjoy!

Welcome to episode 61 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David had a wide-ranging conversation covering personal experiences, writing progress, and the creative process in fiction writing. They discussed the importance of networking and referrals in both personal and professional contexts, exploring how valuable connections can lead to unexpected opportunities and business growth. The conversation concluded with insights on relationship-based networking and the power of giving referrals without expecting immediate returns, drawing from David's experiences with referral campaigns and business development."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Links:

1. BNI - https://www.bni.com/
2. Philip K Dick - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick
3. 10 Shades of Referrals: https://ivanmisner.com/10-shades-referral/

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We recorded our 60th episode at the start of the week: on Monday, November 3, 2025. Welcome to episode 60 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David celebrated their podcast's 60th episode while discussing upcoming elections and various current events, including their concerns about society's direction and the impact of political decisions on air travel safety. They explored philosophical concepts related to infinity and light, comparing natural phenomena to artificial intelligence systems and discussing the evolving capabilities and limitations of AI technology. The conversation concluded with a discussion about the future of automation in various industries and the challenges of keeping up with rapid technological changes, while emphasizing the importance of digital habits and downtime."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

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Dave here: First it was my phone, then my car, and finally my laptop: all three ran out of battery juice in the span of just a couple days. When the car battery was too low to start the car, I was stranded and it was 34 degrees and night time. I got lucky to get out of that one without getting too cold or spending too much money. All this battery talk made me think about how our personal batteries run low and what we do to overdo it and how we recharge. Enjoy our conversation about batteries and recharging.

We recorded our 59th episode at the start of the week: on October 23, 2025. Welcome to episode 59 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"David and Miles discussed their experiences with social media detoxification and the impact of technology on daily life, sharing personal stories about reducing digital consumption and exploring ways to maintain balance. They explored various aspects of self-care, including sleep habits, nutrition, and the importance of recharging through activities like meditation and apple picking. The conversation concluded with a discussion about finding joy in everyday activities and the value of connecting with others while unplugging from technology."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

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Episode 58: Target Market

Miles and I have spent hundreds or maybe thousands of hours thinking about business and sales and the concept of a specific audience or "target market". In this episode, we take fifty years of thinking about and implementing strategic target market in business and discuss how to get more specific. Think about who you can really, really help, and use this to help the right people for you.

We recorded our 58th episode at the start of the week: on Monday, October 6, 2025. Welcome to episode 58 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David discussed current events and shared concerns about the government shutdown's impact on workers and agencies. They explored strategies for identifying and targeting ideal customers, emphasizing the importance of focusing on specific demographics rather than trying to serve everyone. The conversation concluded with discussions about marketing strategies, business models, and the value of targeting specific demographics in various industries, including restaurants and retail."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

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Episode 57: Diving In (Or Not!)

We dive into episode 57 with a discussion on diving into things with caution or with throwing caution to the wind. How do you decide when to dive into something new?

We recorded our 57th episode at the start of the week: on Monday, September 22, 2025. Welcome to episode 57 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

If you haven't listened to the other 56 episodes, you now have 57 varities of The 2 Guys podcast to try out.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David discussed their podcast's growth and content, including its role as an escape from reality and personal experiences shared through episodes. They explored David's family history research and plans to visit ancestral towns in Eastern Europe, while also discussing the importance of highlighting Ukrainian culture and history in light of the ongoing war with Russia. The conversation concluded with discussions about personal and professional transitions, including career changes and friendship dynamics, along with recommendations for TV shows and the importance of checking depth before diving into new situations."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Show links:

1. George Saunders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Saunders
2. A Swim in a Pond in the Rain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Swim_in_a_Pond_in_the_Rain

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Episode 56: Grocery Store Secrets

We recorded our 56th episode at the start of the week: on Monday, September 16, 2025. Thank you for your patience during a brief back-to-school period of non-pod activity. We caught up on a few things and then Miles and I discussed things I learned from working in the grocery industry for 8 years that most people don't know about: grocery store behind the scene secrets. Unlike most stores in Ithaca, this podcast is open 24 hours a day!

Welcome to episode 56 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David discussed various topics including teaching challenges, the start of school year, and personal updates including David's writing project and meeting author Cory Doctorow. They explored the grocery industry in depth, covering topics like profit margins, private label products, online shopping trends, and marketing strategies across different retail sectors. The conversation concluded with discussions about unique grocery store experiences, unusual incidents witnessed in stores, and the decline of 24-hour business operations in their area."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Show links:

1. Cory Doctorow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Doctorow
2. Cory Doctorow's website: https://pluralistic.net/
3. BoingBoing: https://boingboing.net/
4. "The Wrestler (2008)" - clip from a grocery store (warning, graphic and maybe disturbing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxLAcm31otU
5. Ithaca Farmer's Market (Ithaca, NY): https://ithacamarket.com/
6. Dash's Market (Buffalo, NY): https://www.dashsmarket.com/
7. Harvest Market (Champaign, IL): https://www.goharvestmarket.com/
8. Jungle Jim's International Market (Cincinnati, OH): https://junglejims.com/

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Episode 55: Music, Trips, Haircuts, and more!

We recorded our 55th episode at the start of the week: on Monday, August 25, 2025.

Welcome to episode 55 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

AI Description (Zoom Summary, who is always listening and making notes):
"David and Miles discussed various topics including technology platforms, web browsers, and music experiences, with David sharing his background in techno music and Miles recalling early encounters with Google. They explored the connection between music and personal experiences, discussing how specific songs and genres have impacted their lives and how audio experiences can be tied to specific locations. The conversation concluded with discussions about haircuts and travel plans, including personal stories about barbers and future travel destinations, with an invitation for listeners to share their own experiences."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

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Episode 54: "Elisabeth Harrod"

On August 19, a rare Tuesday recording, Miles and Dave hosted their second guest on the 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything podcast: Elisabeth Harrod. Elisabeth Harrod is a dads and family coach who helps fill up parents' tool kits working together to motivate kids to break barriers and change challenging behaviors and patterns. She helps parents experience life-changing results! Elisabeth is a mother of two adult children, lives in Ithaca, New York, and has been raising and supporting kids (including as a babysitter) for over forty years. She's an expert in the parenting journey. Dave first met Elisabeth in 2010 in Ithaca via the local chamber of commerce and BNI; and he's excited to introduce Elisabeth to the 'Two Guys' audience.

Welcome to episode 54 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

AI Description:
"The meeting (sic) began with Miles and David sharing their podcast journey and discussing Elisabeth's influence as a podcaster and dad's coach, including her recommendation of Buzzsprout.com for their podcast setup. Elisabeth then shared her educational and parenting journey, including her approach to homeschooling and development of Purpose Parenting, while exploring topics like toxic masculinity and the importance of creating safe spaces for children to express themselves. The discussion concluded with Elisabeth's insights on parenting styles and the value of autonomy in child development, including her coaching approach of "watering and waiting" rather than "molding and scolding," and the group explored various practical examples of implementing these concepts in parenting."

Parents listening to the show should schedule a no-cost 20-minute discovery call with Elizabeth at PurposeParenting.net for parenting guidance.

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Show Links:

1. Purpose Parenting: https://www.purposeparenting.net/
2. Dad Like a Seahorse podcast:
   1. https://www.purposeparenting.net/podcast
   2. https://open.spotify.com/show/7hfyGvPYMSGLkAxMTdctYG
   3. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dad-like-a-seahorse/id1695378656
   4. https://www.buzzsprout.com/2009868
3. Museum of Life + Science in Durham, NC: https://www.lifeandscience.org/
4. Book List:
   1. Boy Mom, Ruth Whippman: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705378/boymom-by-ruth-whippman/
   2. Hunt, Gather, Parent by Michaeleen Doucleff: https://michaeleendoucleff.com/hunt-gather-parent/
   3. Unconditional Parenting by Alfie Kohn: https://www.alfiekohn.org/UP/
5. Merlin Bird App: https://merlin.allaboutbirds.org/

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