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We recorded our 61st episode on Wednesday, November 12, 2025 focusing a bit deeper on referrals, referral marketing, and shades of referrals. From the "Here's a phone number to call" to "this is a closed deal, they are ready to pay you", there are many shades of referrals. What are the differences? The amount of time and effort for the sales person to close the deal and the depth and strength of the relationship between the three parties involved in a referral.

Miles and I met at a networking event (in 2012!) and we've passed dozens (hundreds?) of referrals worth tens of thousands of dollars. Enjoy!

Welcome to episode 61 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David had a wide-ranging conversation covering personal experiences, writing progress, and the creative process in fiction writing. They discussed the importance of networking and referrals in both personal and professional contexts, exploring how valuable connections can lead to unexpected opportunities and business growth. The conversation concluded with insights on relationship-based networking and the power of giving referrals without expecting immediate returns, drawing from David's experiences with referral campaigns and business development."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Links:

1. BNI - https://www.bni.com/
2. Philip K Dick - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick
3. 10 Shades of Referrals: https://ivanmisner.com/10-shades-referral/

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We recorded our 60th episode at the start of the week: on Monday, November 3, 2025. Welcome to episode 60 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"Miles and David celebrated their podcast's 60th episode while discussing upcoming elections and various current events, including their concerns about society's direction and the impact of political decisions on air travel safety. They explored philosophical concepts related to infinity and light, comparing natural phenomena to artificial intelligence systems and discussing the evolving capabilities and limitations of AI technology. The conversation concluded with a discussion about the future of automation in various industries and the challenges of keeping up with rapid technological changes, while emphasizing the importance of digital habits and downtime."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/2guyspod/

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Dave here: First it was my phone, then my car, and finally my laptop: all three ran out of battery juice in the span of just a couple days. When the car battery was too low to start the car, I was stranded and it was 34 degrees and night time. I got lucky to get out of that one without getting too cold or spending too much money. All this battery talk made me think about how our personal batteries run low and what we do to overdo it and how we recharge. Enjoy our conversation about batteries and recharging.

We recorded our 59th episode at the start of the week: on October 23, 2025. Welcome to episode 59 of our podcast, "The 2 Guys That Don't Know Everything Podcast" hosted by Miles McGrath and David "Dave" Makar.

Zoom Summary (via AI):
"David and Miles discussed their experiences with social media detoxification and the impact of technology on daily life, sharing personal stories about reducing digital consumption and exploring ways to maintain balance. They explored various aspects of self-care, including sleep habits, nutrition, and the importance of recharging through activities like meditation and apple picking. The conversation concluded with a discussion about finding joy in everyday activities and the value of connecting with others while unplugging from technology."

We're two guys who have been friends for over ten years, live in two different states (Florida and New York), and have been doing hour-long chats a few times a month for years. We're both dads, entrepreneurs, active in the volunteer community, and want to give back to the world.

Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/2guyspod/

Other social links and sign-offs coming soon! Remember, we don't know everything!