My guest today is Jenny Hayo (she/her)—teacher, guide, and practitioner of wisdom traditions for over 25 years—to explore the living, breathing experience of Self-energy and how it shapes our inner and outer worlds.

Together, we dive into:

• What it means to embody Self-energy instead of holding it as just an idea.

• The many ways people describe Self-energy, and how language can both help and limit us.

• A playful, unexpected moment when an otter appeared, bringing laughter into our conversation.

• What we are actually embodying when we talk about “being in Self.”

• The practice of interoception—tuning into the body’s signals and sensations.

• The difference between listening to the body and having an agenda for it.

• How Self can be both a deeply spiritual and beautifully ordinary experience.

• Ways to discover what your unique Self-energy feels like.

• The heart as a powerful portal into Self-energy.

• A simple practice Jenny shares for cultivating embodiment and accessing Self-energy in daily life.

Jenny Hayo has practiced and taught in the wisdom traditions for over 25 years. She synthesizes her decades of consciousness studies, meditation, and embodiment-centered practices to support students along the path of awakening. Her work is informed by Hindu philosophy, classical yoga, tantric Buddhism, and various somatic modalities. Jenny is certified in Hakomi, Internal Family Systems (IFS), and as a Yoga Therapist. Her understanding of the subtle body—and the importance of our relationship with it—lies at the heart of her work.

Jenny teaches public workshops, trainings, retreats, and offers individual coaching for students on the spiritual journey. She is deeply committed to creating a world of wakefulness and liberation for all.

Connect with Jenny Hayo: 📞 Phone: 206.931.8992 📧 Email: jenny@jennyhayo.com 🌐 Website: www.jennyhayo.com

Tune in and join us as we explore how to embody Self-energy—not as a concept, but as a lived, heart-centered experience!

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In this episode I sit down with Heather Smith—Certified IFS therapist and founder of The Moxie School®—to explore the profound intersection of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy and psychedelic-assisted healing.

Heather shares her deeply personal path into both IFS and psychedelics, sparked by a lifelong inquiry: How do people truly heal? Together, we dive into the ways psychedelic experiences can deepen parts work, the essential role of Self-energy in lasting transformation, and why healing doesn’t come from the medicine—but from within.

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We Explore:

• Heather’s journey into IFS and expanded states of consciousness

• The deep synergy between IFS and psychedelics

• How MDMA can amplify Self-energy

• The power of witnessing parts in altered states

• Why preparation is non-negotiable before a medicine journey

• The consequences of skipping the prep and integration process

• The role of the IFS Self-led guide in enhancing psychedelic journeys

• What “integration” really means—and why it’s the completion, not the afterthought

• The myth that the medicine does the healing (hint: it’s your Self that does)

Whether you’re a seasoned guide or curious about combining inner parts work with psychedelic tools, this episode is a must-listen.

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Heather Smith is a visionary in the field of psychedelic healing, uniquely bridging Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with expanded states of consciousness. A Certified IFS therapist (Levels 1–3) and frequent Program Assistant, Heather is the founder of The Moxie School®, where she trains facilitators in IFS-informed psychedelic support.

Through immersive retreats and training programs, Heather empowers others to deepen their self-leadership, refine their facilitation skills, and embody the healing work at the deepest level.

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🌐 Visit Heather’s work: www.moxieschool.com

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What happens when Internal Family Systems meets the mystical? In this episode I’m joined once again by therapist, teacher, and spiritual guide Chris Hancock to explore Transpersonal Internal Family Systems (T-IFS)—a sacred weaving of parts work with direct connection to the Divine.

Together, we explore how T-IFS opens portals to higher realms of healing, the many expressions of Divine love and light, and how spiritual beings—including Mother Mary and Isis—can participate in unburdenings and transformation. Chris also shares his process of spiritual awakening and the path that led him to co-create this multidimensional form of healing. I share my own powerful T-IFS session with Chris, including an emotional message received from Mother Mary that brought me to tears.

This episode is a testament to what becomes possible when we listen deeply, surrender, and allow Love itself to lead the way.

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• What is Transpersonal IFS and how it evolved

• The many expressions of the Divine and how they show up in healing

• How Chris integrates higher realms into unburdenings

• Stories from powerful T-IFS sessions, including guides, ancestors, and angelic presences

• Parts that block access to the Divine and how to gently be with them

• My personal experience with Mother Mary and Isis during a T-IFS session

• The emotional and sacred message Chris received from Mother Mary the day after our session.

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Chris Hancock, LCSW, ACMHP is a licensed therapist with over 26 years of experience and the heart behind Therapy Outside the Box, based in Nashville, TN. His journey through burnout, mystical awakening, and surrender to Divine guidance led him to develop a unique healing modality known as Transpersonal IFS (T-IFS)—a powerful blend of IFS, spiritual gnosis, and multidimensional light transmission.

Chris works in direct relationship with Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine archetypes and is a devoted channel of Mother Mary, offering deeply sacred healing experiences that are grounded in love, unity, and soul remembrance.

• Website: www.therapyoutsidethebox.com

• Instagram: @therapyoutsidethebox

• Phone: 615.430.2778

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