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So You Want to Run a Dog Rescue

So You Want to Run a Dog Rescue

De: Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh
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Join the women behind the magic of Dog Gone Seattle, the largest foster-based dog rescue in the Pacific Northwest, and hear the behind-the-scenes chronicles of rescue, the comedies and the errors, the celebrations and the abject failures, and everything in between, including expert opinions on all things Dog.Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh
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  • 3.7 — “Science Says” - Stress, Welfare, and Punishment: Dogma vs. Reality with Dr. Melanie Uhde

    3.7 — “Science Says” - Stress, Welfare, and Punishment: Dogma vs. Reality with Dr. Melanie Uhde
    Jan 1 2026

    “Science” is often invoked in dog training discussions to signal intelligence, moral superiority, and to shame those who advocate for balanced approaches. In Episode 3.7, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh sit down with neurobiologist and dog trainer Dr. Melanie Uhde to examine what science actually says about stress, punishment, welfare, and learning—and what that means for modern dog training.

    Together, they unpack the studies most commonly cited to condemn punishment, explaining why many fail to reflect real-world training and why metrics like cortisol or body language alone don’t capture long-term outcomes such as confidence, resilience, and success in real homes. They differentiate acute vs. chronic stress and explore stress inoculation, highlighting research that shows how appropriate stress can build coping skills and improve behavioral and neurological outcomes.

    The conversation also tackles aversive control, discussing why—when applied correctly—it can be more reliable, persistent, and generalizable than reward-only approaches. Finally, they connect the science to everyday life with dogs, addressing puppies, fosters, fearful dogs, and why aversive control shouldn’t be treated as a last resort. This is a nuanced, evidence-based discussion focused on moving past ideology and toward training that genuinely improves dogs’ lives in the real world.


    Mentions:

    Melanie Uhde Biograph

    Michael Ellis

    Cooper study

    Ivan's podcast discussion on Cooper study

    Shocking rats causes aggression

    Stress inoculation in mice

    Dopamine and aversive control


    Scientific terms defined:

    • Confirmation Bias
    • Methods
    • Causation
    • Correlation
    • Control
    • Cortisol
    • Stress inoculation
    • Hippocampus
    • Learned helplessness
    • Early Neurological Stimulation (ENS)

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    • Facebook: @Dr.Melanie.Uhde
    • Instagram: @caninedecoded

    So You Want to Run a Dog Rescue

    • Facebook: @DGS.Podcast
    • Instagram: @DGS.Podcast
    • Email: soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.com


    00:00 3.7: Science Says with Dr. Melanie Uhde

    06:11 Why this conversation matters right now

    15:03 Methodological issues with frequently cited studies

    26:51 Welfare conclusions

    37:08 The case for stress

    44:26 Implications for epidemic of anxious dogs

    49:56 The role of ENS

    53:13 The case for punishment

    58:14 How to prevent fallout from punishment

    01:04:30 Why punishment should not be a 'last resort'

    01:11:20 Advice for adopters

    01:15:33 Simply daily habits for the average dog owner to build dog's resilience

    01:20:08 Final last questions
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    1 h y 32 m
  • 3.6: Starting with Science — A Primer on Operant Conditioning (and Where We Stand on Training, Officially)

    3.6: Starting with Science — A Primer on Operant Conditioning (and Where We Stand on Training, Officially)
    Dec 28 2025
    Recorded six weeks ago—if that gives any indication of how busy things have been — Episode 3.6 is short, sweet, and sets the table for the Season 3 finale with Dr. Melanie Uhde.Before taking listeners all the way to Science Town, hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh start with the basics: operant conditioning, the four quadrants, and what “punishment” actually means—hint: the dog decides, and it’s not a squirt bottle (at least not for Jenny’s GSD, Mando).Beyond terminology, this episode marks the first time balanced training is the main topic of discussion. Against the backdrop of an ideological war between training camps (and after experiencing some truly unhinged reactions to their willingness to stop behaviors that were quite literally going to get dogs killed), Ashlyn and Jenny discuss why balanced training is not only necessary, but often life-saving. They share real-world examples drawn from a statistically significant sample size (yes, they’re being scientific now) and explore whether lived experience can meaningfully influence the broader conversation. Or not—because, Jenny wonders, is it not just all the dogs on drugs?The episode also includes highlights from the Michael Ellis / Melanie Uhde Aversive Control seminar, including a gummy-adjacent encounter with a local trainer/breeder that very nearly didn’t make the cut.And for listeners less invested in the science and training discussion, skip ahead to Questions: resident nutrition savant Ashlyn shares some truly useful recommendations—especially for large breeds—you won’t want to miss.Stay tuned for Behind the Scenes where the banter is real, and listeners will understand why Shadowfax will never be invited to a podcast recording again.POD MENTIONS:Melanie UhdeMichael Ellis SchoolFixers Collective ReelAVSAB Veterinary Position StatementNutriscanOptagestMushroom Matrix Skin & CoatMyosConnectinCosequinPARTNER MENTIONS:Fixers CollectiveSaving Great AnimalsForever Home Dog RescueWashington Health OutreachRegional Animal Services King CountyPAWSADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS:Tera TailsMosesCutie PieMangoThovenLunaRicoAsk us anything via Email: soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcast00:00 3.6 Starting with Science01:12 Intro and exciting announcements03:39 3.5 Recap Dogs Biting Kids Fixers Collective10:21 Mango return13:16 Dogs on drugs but what are the people on?16:41 Melanie Uhde Primer20:43 Why we haven't REALLY talked about this before24:56 Operant Conditioning Primer: R+-P+-28:58 Punishment determined by behavior (dog determines what is aversive)30:58 Why punishment matters (stopping unwanted behaviors)34:17 Rolex breeder AWKWARD40:35 Running out of gas42:16 Good time at the seminar44:43 Why this is so important47:24 Real world experience: Luna53:41 A couple questions for Ashlyn on nutriscan (we got Joe's back) and Myos56:49 Myos question01:00:00 Final thoughts on "science"01:01:49 Behind the Scenes01:05:29 to dish or not to dish01:06:55 dog shot in cemetery01:07:28 Bloopers
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    1 h y 10 m
  • 3.5: Dogs Biting Kids + 9-5 Crazy F*cking Shit List = Big Feelings

    3.5: Dogs Biting Kids + 9-5 Crazy F*cking Shit List = Big Feelings
    Nov 21 2025
    Season 3 Episode 5: Feral, F-bomb heavy, and full of chaos. Hosts Jenny Nordin and Ashlyn Kauh start off “normally” enough—updates on the Dog Detective Case Files, Fixers Collective, and some behind-the-scenes strategery involving a spreadsheet so convoluted Jenny had to learn something called Javascript just to make it work. But then… Jenny goes off the rails. Spreadsheet-induced madness? Or just every day insanity of running the largest dog rescue in the PNW? You decide.Main topic: Dogs biting kids. Not great. Often complicated, but sometimes just screamingly obvious bad (human and/or canine) parenting. Lately, every day (9-5 and then some) has been full of Crazy Shit so this episode throws the usual segments into a blender and hits puree. (Cue the F-Bombs.) From “Dangerous Dog" designations who "just need a CGC" to maniacal keyboard warriors and delulu adopters sending novels to an overflowing inbox, the drama is real and the feelings are big.Grab your popcorn if you're here for the soapbox. Otherwise, skip to the Questions for super useful info on Nutriscan testing for food allergies.POD MENTIONS:Aversive Control SeminarMichael Ellis School Melanie Uhde [Canine Decoded]Bite Level in Dogs [Veterinary Partner]NutriScan [HemoPet]Dr. Jean Dodds [HemoPet]Animal Apologists Podcast [Spotify]Kayleigh and Dogs (Animal Apologists) [Instagram]PARNTER MENTIONS:Fixers Collective [Instagram]Crossroads VetDog B GoodDouble Down Dog TrainingThe Good Dog WayAll the Best Pet CareADOPTABLE DOG MENTIONS: LunaRexPennyLeoFreyaRicoAsk us anything via Email to soyouwanttorunadogrescue@gmail.comFollow us on social media at @dgs.podcastDon't forget to Like, Share, Comment and Subscribe!Chapters00:00 3.5 Dogs Biting Kids01:45 3.4 Updates: Luna, Sprinkles, Heist09:01 What we've been up to (it's a lot)12:34 Aversive Control Seminar at Michael Ellis School14:28 Fixers Collective 2.017:24 Adoption Updates (Thank you Kris)18:21 Main Topic: Dogs Who Bite Kids19:30 Screening adult dogs for placement in homes with kids23:21 Dog in the home and having a baby24:55 But first: Bite Levels (The Bite Scale)30:56 Lessons from Mando37:48 Adding a dog to a family with kids44:50 Ash's Adopter - Training YAY49:28 Mango's Adopter - Not Great55:21 Hindsight is 20-2001:01:04 Take home message01:05:49 A 9 to 5 of Crazy Shit01:06:15 A 'dangerous' husky at Monroe PD who just needs a CGC01:10:51 Most presumptuous surrender email ever01:13:45 Freaking giant waste of time keyboard warriors01:28:56 Questions: Nutriscan by Hemopet01:32:08 Rico's Nutriscan results01:38:53 Closing thoughts01:39:32 Deleted Scenes
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    1 h y 42 m
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