Can storytelling really be the most valuable skill in podcasting- and in business?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky speaks with Laura Joyce Davis, CEO of Narrative Podcasts and Managing Editor of the Stanford Storytelling Project, about the power of narrative podcasting. Laura shares how she went from launching Shelter in Place on the first day of lockdown to producing 200 episodes, founding a company, and now teaching podcasting at Stanford and Google.

As she puts it:

Here are some insightful moments within the episode:

• Why storytelling is the most valuable skill in podcasting
• How Shelter in Place became both a lifeline and a launchpad
• Why the revision process matters more than quick wins
• The importance of separating ‘creator brain’ from ‘marketer brain’
• Building an audience before launching a podcast
• How AI can serve as a creative companion, not a replacement

Laura Joyce Davis is the CEO of Narrative Podcasts and Managing Editor of the Stanford Storytelling Project. She created the award-winning Shelter in Place, has trained dozens of emerging podcasters, and now teaches storytelling at Stanford, Stanford Continuing Studies, and Google. She is also writing a forthcoming book on narrative podcasting.

Connect with Laura on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurajoycedavis/

Learn more at Narrative Podcasts: www.narrativepodcasts.com

00:00 – Storytelling as a vital skill

01:47 – Can you really make money in podcasting?

05:00 – How narrative podcasting builds life skills

07:28 – Shelter in Place: a pandemic project becomes a career

11:12 – Learning by doing: 200 episodes, zero training wheels

13:06 – Why revision is where the magic happens

17:52 – Building Narrative Podcasts to train new creators

22:12 – From burnout to Stanford

25:29 – The mindset shift that makes or breaks creators

29:08 – Creator brain vs. marketer brain

32:31 – The community power of podcasting

33:28 – If starting over, what Laura would do differently

37:31 – AI as a creative companion

PodBiz is the podcast about the business of podcasting. Hosted by industry veterans Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan, the show features conversations with creators, executives, and platform leaders to answer one question: Where’s the money in podcasting?

Each episode dives into monetization strategy, adtech, branded content, IP development, and audience growth. Guests include leaders from Acast, Captivate, Crooked Media, Buzzsprout, True Native Media, Podfest, and more.

Learn more: njbmedia.co | thepodhouseproductions.com

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In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky speaks with Alice Florence Orr, Staff Writer and Managing Editor at Podcast Review and BBC Radio contributor, about the realities of podcast PR, pitching, and discoverability. Alice shares the common mistakes creators make when pitching their shows, how to think beyond “industry validation,” and why audio-only podcasts still have a unique space in the market.

As she puts it:

• Why “selling IP” isn’t the only way to make money in podcasting
• The pitfalls of podcast PR and what makes a pitch stand out
• How independent creators can leverage ads, subscriptions, and branded partnerships
• Why discoverability remains the industry’s biggest challenge
• The future of audio-only podcasts in a video-saturated market

Alice Florence Orr is the Managing Editor of Podcast Review and a BBC Radio contributor. Her work focuses on podcast criticism, media strategy, and discoverability, helping creators understand how to reach new audiences. She is also an active voice on LinkedIn, writing about podcasting, media, and culture.

🔗 Connect with Alice on LinkedIn

📖 Read her work on Podcast Review

00:52 – The Money Question | Where Alice sees revenue opportunities

01:44 – Independent Podcasting | Models beyond the big network buyout

04:21 – Reviewing Genres | Why niches and listening habits matter

07:25 – Finding Your Audience | Reverse-engineering discoverability

09:02 – Pitching Mistakes | What not to do in press releases

13:19 – What Reviewers Need | How to make your podcast pitch stand out

17:17 – Discoverability Challenges | Why apps alone won’t get you found

23:38 – Getting Into Podcasting | Alice’s career journey and BBC contributions

27:34 – Looking Ahead | Why audio still matters in a video-first world

PodBiz is the podcast about the business of podcasting. Hosted by industry veterans Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan, the show features conversations with creators, executives, and platform leaders to answer one question: Where’s the money in podcasting?

Each episode dives into monetization strategy, adtech, branded content, IP development, and audience growth. Guests include leaders from Acast, Captivate, Crooked Media, Buzzsprout, True Native Media, Podfest, and more.

Learn more: njbmedia.co | thepodhouseproductions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of PodBiz, recorded before his unexpected passing last week, Todd Cochran, Founder & CEO of Blubrry Podcasting, joined Norma Jean Belenky to share his perspective on the realities of monetization, the future of the industry, and why creators must first serve their audiences.

As James Cridland wrote in an obituary published in Podnews, “Todd Cochrane was a fierce proponent of open RSS and building your podcast on your own website… Ever willing to help progress the industry, Todd was always interested to learn and make friends with anyone in podcasting.” His words in this conversation are a reminder of just how much one person can shape an industry.

As he put it:

• Why podcasters should build community before chasing ads
• The download thresholds that really matter to advertisers (10K–50K)
• Subscription models and listener support as alternative revenue streams
• Why transparency and vulnerability create lasting trust
• How independent voices and audio-first strategies continue to shape the industry

Todd Cochran was the Founder & CEO of Blubrry Podcasting, a pioneer in hosting and monetization. A Navy veteran, author of one of the first books on podcasting, and longtime host of Geek News Central, Todd helped establish podcasting as a professional medium. His leadership empowered countless independent podcasters to find their voice, their audience, and their sustainability.

We’re deeply grateful to have recorded this conversation with Todd, and we honor his legacy in podcasting.

01:26 – Monetization Realities | Why most creators shouldn’t chase ads first

04:22 – The Numbers That Matter | When agencies start paying attention

07:32 – Beyond Ads | Subscriptions and listener support

10:16 – Building Trust | Transparency, vulnerability, and audience connection

13:46 – Early Days | Hosting, GoDaddy, and growing the ecosystem

19:11 – Hitting Record | Why starting is the hardest—and most important—step

24:27 – Practical Advice | “Record for your audience. Write for Google.”

32:39 – From Niche to Mainstream | The growth of podcasting at scale

36:16 – Future of Revenue | Ads, acquisitions, and industry shifts

37:14 – Why Audio-First Still Wins | Todd’s advice for new podcasters

PodBiz is the podcast about the business of podcasting. Hosted by industry veterans Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan, the show features conversations with creators, executives, and platform leaders to answer one question: Where’s the money in podcasting?

Each episode dives into monetization strategy, adtech, branded content, IP development, and audience growth. Guests include leaders from Acast, Captivate, Crooked Media, Buzzsprout, True Native Media, Podfest, and more.

Learn more: njbmedia.co | thepodhouseproductions.com

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.