IN THIS EPISODE

In today’s episode, Sarah introduces Madison, a new therapist and grad student at Kindman and Co. They discuss their soon-to-be-launched caregiver support group. Both share personal experiences being caregivers and reflect on the challenges and responsibilities that come with this role. They express the importance of support systems, the evolving nature of caregiving, and their hopes for the group's impact.

TOPICS

Caregivers, Therapy, Support Group, Community, Mental Health Support

KEY FIGURES

Sarah Barukh, Madison Segarra, Kindman & Co.

SUMMARY

In this episode of 'Out of Session with Kindman and Co.', Sarah and new team member Madison discuss the launch of their upcoming caregiver support group. Both Sarah and Madison share personal experiences of being caregivers. They reflect on the challenges and evolving responsibilities that come with caregiving roles and the crucial need for support systems. Their conversation emphasizes the yearning for community, understanding, and advocacy to help caregivers navigate their responsibilities more effectively and feel less isolated in their roles.

The episode touches on various emotions associated with caregiving, such as anxiety, fear, and resentment, especially when caregivers consider the long-term commitments to their loved ones. Both hosts agree on the necessity of having someone to lean on, whether it's family, partners, or a support group, and the importance of defining their roles through meaningful language and ownership. They highlight that caregiving requires acute awareness and emotional resilience, often involving preemptive actions to meet the needs of those they care for.

Sarah and Madison express hopes for their new support group to provide a space for caregivers to share experiences, exchange resources, and receive validation. This group aims to create a community where caregivers can find solace, exchange knowledge, and, most importantly, feel understood and less alone in their journeys.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Caregiving Often Comes Without a RoadmapMany caregivers step into the role without preparation, training, or support, learning on the fly while navigating complex healthcare, emotional, and personal challenges.
  

• The Emotional Toll of Caregiving Is Deep and Often InvisibleCaregivers experience isolation, burnout, guilt, and identity shifts, especially when societal recognition and support systems are lacking.
  

• There’s Power in Naming and Sharing the Caregiving ExperienceCreating language and space for caregivers to talk about their roles fosters community, healing, and validation, helping reduce stigma and silence.
  

• Peer-led initiatives can foster meaningful change.Madison and Sarah’s support group aims to build a “spider web” of connection for caregivers, proving that shared lived experience is a powerful tool for healing and advocacy.

KEY QUOTES

“It doesn't make the weight any lighter, but you feel more supported in carrying it.”

— Sarah

“The idea that you are also allowed to have needs can feel really foreign.”

— Sarah

“There’s nobody to ever give you a handout for how to navigate this system.”

— Madison

“Community makes the hardest things feel more manageable.”

— Sarah

CALL TO ACTION

Look out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter to stay connected.

Interested in joining Sarah and Madison’s support group for caregivers? Follow this link to visit the group’s page on our website.

IN THIS EPISODE

Two therapists unpack how masculinity is shaped by social policing, reflect on their own experiences of being shamed for vulnerability, and introduce a new men’s group dedicated to exploring more expansive and emotionally authentic forms of masculinity.

TOPICS

masculinity, vulnerability, therapy, community, connection, men’s groups

KEY FIGURES

Jesse Romo, Liam DeGeorgio, Kindman & Co.

SUMMARY

In this episode, therapists Jesse and Liam revisit the theme of masculinity, reflecting on the ways boys and men are taught early in life to suppress tenderness and vulnerability. They share personal stories of being policed for showing emotion and describe how aggression and “boys will be boys” attitudes were rewarded, even as they caused long-term harm.

The conversation explores how patriarchy limits everyone, including men themselves, and why vulnerability and emotional honesty are not weaknesses but deeper forms of strength. Liam introduces his new group, Redefining Masculinity, which provides a supportive space for masc-presenting individuals to affirm one another, experiment with new ways of expressing themselves, and challenge harmful norms together.

Together, Jesse and Liam highlight the ripple effect of healing—how individual men learning to express vulnerability can influence friends, partners, families, and future generations.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Masculinity often discourages tenderness and vulnerability while rewarding aggression, leading to isolation and emotional harm.
  

• Early childhood experiences of shame and policing shape how men learn to perform masculinity.
  

• Vulnerability and emotional honesty are acts of courage that foster deeper connection and resilience.
  

• Groups like Redefining Masculinity create space for men to unlearn limiting norms and model new ways of being.
  

• Healing within community ripples outward, inspiring change in families, friendships, and society.
  

KEY QUOTES

• "From a young age, boys are taught to police each other into a narrow version of masculinity." — Liam
  
• "If you start crying, people will call you a girl. But if you get angry, people don’t make fun of you — they’re afraid of you. That’s how I adapted." — Jesse
  
• "Patriarchy convinces men that the easy way out is to avoid feelings. But the real work — the stronger path — is being vulnerable, accountable, and uncomfortable." — Jesse
  
• "Nobody’s born a hyper-alpha male who doesn’t want connection. Those parts of us get shut down — and it’s about reviving them." — Liam
  
• "Groups like this matter because they give us space to explore without shame, to ask questions instead of being told: ‘Don’t go there, dude.’" — Liam
  
• "Change ripples outward. When men embrace vulnerability, it impacts their partners, their families, and the next generation." — Jesse

CALL TO ACTION

Look out for the transcript of this episode on the Kindman & Co. blog and sign up for the Kindman & Co. newsletter to stay connected.

Interested in Liam’s Redefining Masculinity group? Follow this link to visit the group’s page on our website.

IN THIS EPISODE:

Through a candid, unscripted conversation, two associate therapists explore what it really feels like to step into the role of healer while still learning how to hold space for themselves. Liam and Sarah reflect on their paths into therapy, the tension between confidence and self-doubt, and how the therapeutic relationship transforms both client and clinician.

TOPICS:

becoming a therapist, early-career therapy, therapist vulnerability, relational therapy, self-doubt, impostor syndrome, authenticity, capitalism & mental health, therapeutic relationship

SUMMARY:

In this episode, Liam and Sarah—two associate therapists early in their clinical journeys—sit down for an honest conversation about what it's really like to become a therapist. They unpack their own winding paths into the mental health field, from political organizing and museum gift shopsto EMDR and case management.

Sarah shares how growing up in deep one-on-one conversations shaped her sense of belonging and guided her toward therapy—even as fear and self-doubt made herquestion whether she was “cut out for it.” Liam reflects on his resistance to traditional work structures, and how therapy offered not just a career path, but a relational home—one built on authenticity, curiosity, and mutual care.

Together, they challenge productivity-based models of mental health that treat therapy as something to be “fixed.” Instead, they advocate for therapy as a slow, relational unfolding—one where connection, not just coping skills, becomes the vehicle for change.

Whether you’re a fellow clinician, someone considering a mental health career, or a client wondering what goes on behind the scenes, this conversation offers a rare window into the inner worlds of two therapists still becoming.

KEY QUOTES:

• "I realized that while my therapist was helping me, I was helping her—just by being in that relationship." — Liam

• "It’s not like I woke up one day and said, 'This is what I'm meant to do.' It took a lot of hard conversations and reflection." — Sarah

• "You go to someone and tell them you’re feeling awful, and they hand you a worksheet? That’s not therapy. That’s capitalism." — Liam

• "People aren’t coming to be fixed. They’re coming to be felt with." — Sarah

• "There’s wisdom in everybody at every age, if we’re willing to be real with each other." — Liam

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• Therapists are always becoming. The work requires constant self-reflection, vulnerability, and a willingness to grow.

• The therapeutic relationship is not one-directional.Clients often help their therapists evolve, too.

• Quick fixes don’t work. The deeper healing happens overtime, through connection and presence—not productivity hacks.

• New therapists often struggle with doubt. Community, mentorship, and honest conversations help keep us grounded.

• Being a therapist means being human. It's not about having the answers—it's about being willing to sit in the unknown with someone else.

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