Who were your role models growing up, and who are they now? Many of us grow up looking up to famous people like our favorite athletes, but the types of role models we have change as we mature. You probably have role models in your life now, whether you consciously think of them as role models or not. In this episode, Jeremy and Doug discuss unconventional role models who helped them grow as men and fathers, and how you can find unconventional role models in your life.

Doug and Jeremy begin by discussing the role models that they had as children, from famous athletes to coaches to family friends. They move into discussing how the media shapes our role models, and how to pick healthier and more relevant people to draw inspiration from.

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[2:39] Today’s episode is about unconventional role models, specifically as they relate to becoming a man and a father. Doug says that he looked up to athletes growing up and gravitated toward coaches as he got older.

[4:46] Jeremy looked up to a close friend’s father growing up as he struggled to find calmness in his own home environment. In high school, Jeremy found role models in his coaches.

[11:42] Jeremy suggests that the role models we are encouraged to follow on TV aren’t as useful as real-life role models, particularly family men.

[14:33] Doug says that there are more influences on our children today than there were in his childhood in the age of social media.

[19:34] Jeremy says that the content-driven landscape we live in can present distorted images of our role models, and sometimes overexaggerates small missteps.

[24:42] Social media overexaggerates wealth, both in terms of its importance and the possibility that anyone can become wealthy. Doug is instilling a more realistic view of wealth in his children.

[27:29] Doug finds inspiration in people who have worked hard to master their craft. He values authenticity in his role models over perfection.

[32:21] Doug feels fortunate that he has a network of genuine and kindhearted people, both in his professional life and in his personal life.

[34:11] Jeremy suggests letting go of the types of role models we have as children, specifically in the form of famous athletes or celebrities. Instead, you can find inspiration in your friendships.

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How do you use music? You might just listen to music in your car on your drive to work or over the speakers in the stores you visit, but even these instances of music are more powerful than you may realize. Music has deep psychological capabilities, and the way you absorb it can have profound effects on your mood and productivity. In this episode, Jeremy and Doug discuss music and productivity, and give you tips on how to use music to work more efficiently.

While Doug and Jeremy both like to listen to music, they approach music somewhat differently, with Doug taking an interest in more common forms of music while Jeremy enjoys meditation music and even white noise to sleep along with other genres. Doug and Jeremy both use music to motivate themselves and to focus during the workday.

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[5:12] Today’s episode is about music and productivity, which Jeremy find difficult to talk about because he feels like music is constantly playing in his head. Doug reflects on concerts that he and his family have been to.

[7:59] Doug finds that music helps him get inspired and motivated, whether he is exercising or working.

[9:52] Jeremy sleeps to white noise to sleep, which Doug is not able to sleep to.

[18:27] Jeremy and Doug reflect on the role of music in sports, specifically in their college days playing football. They used music to energize themselves, and they still use music similar sometimes today.

[19:30] Jeremy cannot listen to very energetic music while he is working, and prefers to work to quiet music to avoid distraction.

[24:49] Jeremy is an open book when it comes to music genres. He has his preferences, but is always open to discovering new music, particularly live music.

[30:22] Doug loves going to concerts and taking his family to concerts. Jeremy reflects on some of his favorite concerts he’s seen.

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We all use ChatGPT to send a carefully-worded email from time to time, but is your business adopting AI? More importantly, is it doing so responsibly? Today’s episode of Never in Reverse is all about AI and other technological change, with a focus on the ethics of AI and data privacy. As the technological landscape changes, businesses must responsibly and intentionally adopt new technology or be left behind.

Doug and Jeremy begin by discussing AI in a business setting, from who has adopted it to how it is used, emphasizing that AI should not be used to replace human beings. They move into ethical considerations, particularly concerns around data privacy and security.

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[3:56] Today’s conversation is about AI, and in particular the ethics of AI. Never in Reverse is all about continuing to move forward as technology advances, so Doug and Jeremy want to explore how to use some of the most cutting-edge technology available.

[7:09] While AI is not going to replace humanity, it is a tool that businesses need to adapt to now or risk being left behind.

[14:29] The question is not whether or not society will adopt new technology like AI – it is whether you and your organization will embrace it before the rest of society does.

[17:36] Lots of organizations are concerned about digital privacy with AI. Jeremy notes that many of our privacy concerns, particularly around personal data, are already exploited by digital marketing.

[23:15] Doug has a friend who works at Google who has expressed ethical concerns about the pervasiveness of AI.

[28:43] While AI can do many tasks for us, it is still important for us to learn how to do skills that AI can assist us with and to pass on that knowledge to future generations.

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What makes a meaningful business relationship for you? In today’s episode, Doug and Jeremy discuss the importance of networking, from finding mentors to learn from to mentoring others. They reflect on the people they have learned from and give their strategies to build strategic and meaningful connections with other professionals.

Jeremy and Doug begin by discussing how they learned to network. Like all other aspects of business, networking is a skill that can be learned and improved upon. They move into discussing how to network authentically and specific mentors who have taught them valuable skills

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[3:56] The topic for today’s episode is networking. Referrals and relationships are extremely power in business and beyond.

[7:35] Early in his career, Jeremy wanted to build a network but did not understand how to do so in practice. His relationships were overly transactional.

[13:05] Building strong relationships is about understanding what you can do for the people you work with and getting to the root of what they want.

[17:30] The second half of the episode will focus on the importance of professional relationships and mentors. Doug’s father was an important mentor for him.

[20:44] Jeremy talks about a mentor he had at his first job. He taught Jeremy about sales and other important skills that he still uses today.

[25:00] Jeremy and Doug speak to the importance of authenticity and honesty in business relationships.

[33:10] Doug gravitates towards successful people. When he worked in telecommunications, Doug listened to a successful salesperson’s calls to learn about new sales strategies.

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Do you have control over your narrative, or does your narrative have control over you? Our narratives can hold us back, but they can also be the forces that drive us forward. In today’s episode of Never in Reverse, Jeremy and Doug discuss their own narratives and the work they have done to reshape them – and how you can begin to rewrite yours.

In this personal conversation, Doug and Jeremy begin by discussing some of the obstacles that they have faced that still continue to weigh on them, specifically around their relationships with their mothers. As Doug and Jeremy have grown, they have learned how to rewrite their own narratives and pivot when necessary to create a healthier and happier life for themselves and their families.

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[4:21] Today’s episode is about re-writing your narrative, which is a very personal subject for Jeremy and Doug. Our narratives are the stories we tell ourselves, and we can rewrite them to drive ourselves forward.

[5:28] Doug is still learning how to rewrite his narrative. He wants to rewrite his narrative to adjust to changes and make the most of his life.

[8:12] Doug and Jeremy both have some parts of their lives that can bring up issues for them, particularly around their mothers. Jeremy is striving to steer his narrative toward his future instead of focusing on his past.

[12:50] Jeremy hasn’t always had control over his narrative and often found that his past was finding its way into his decision-making.

[17:20] Doug forgave his mother for her behavior years ago, but found that some of the emotions resurfaced following the passing of his stepfather. He also has learned how to use his emotions to motivate him.

[22:23] Jeremy can empathize with his mother’s difficulties recognizing her own mistakes. It is difficult to self-reflect and admit when you’re wrong. Jeremy has worked to better own his mistakes and take a different path.

[26:20] Sometimes Jeremy will pivot in real time; he even leaves a the room to collect himself and try again when he knows he isn’t equipped to deal with something in the moment.

[33:22] Doug tells a story of a time that he set a boundary with his mother that she crossed in multiple ways. While he empathizes with her position, he had to put guardrails up for his family.

[40:15] Jeremy and Doug discuss what they would do if they could go back and rewrite their own narratives.

[48:50] Jeremy is chipping away at his narrative a little at a time to create the best life for himself and his family.

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Much of what we do comes from habit, whether we realize it or not. You weren’t born knowing to wake up and immediately check your phone – the habit developed over time, and now you probably do it without thinking. In today’s episode, Jeremy and Doug discuss rituals, from building healthy habits to breaking unhealthy ones.

Starting from their work lives, Doug and Jeremy are both working to implement rituals and time-blocking at work, but this sometimes rubs up against the reality of work in a dynamic industry. In their personal lives, Doug and Jeremy use rituals to maintain their health and spend time with their loved ones while breaking rituals that no longer serve them.

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[3:12] Today’s episode is about the power of rituals. For Doug, time blocking has been useful, though his dynamic work environment sometimes prevents him from sticking to his plans.

[5:35] Jeremy tends to take an in-the-moment approach to his work, which can have negative consequences in both his personal and work life. He is working to implement self-care rituals to counteract this.

[10:35] In his personal life, Doug’s main ritual is working out three to five days a week.. He gets up between 4:30 and 5 to get his workout in before work.

[16:10] Jeremy and Doug live very fast-paced lives. The constant flow of responsibilities can make maintaining rituals difficult. Jeremy points out the importance of living with intentionality.

[19:58] Drinking was a ritual that Jeremy picked up from his upbringing. It took him time to realize that his environment led to this ritual, and that the ritual was not serving him.

[25:58] By changing his rituals, Doug has made memories with his children that they still treasure. Rituals can be a key piece of living with intention and being present with your family.

[28:30] We want to hear from you – how have you broken negative habits and created new rituals?

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FOMO, or the fear of missing out, has become part of our vocabulary because it describes an almost universal experience. We all want to fit in to some extent, we all want to be the best version of ourselves, and we all want to please the people around us. But committing to too much can leave you drained. In this episode, Doug and Jeremy discuss the fear and joy of missing out.

Jeremy and Doug also dive into the digital world’s impact on our fear of missing out, as social media shows us the best moments from everyone else. We can start to take our attention back by detoxing from the digital world, though it’s easier said than done.

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[4:40] Today’s episode is about the fear of missing out and the joy of missing out. The theme of this episode plays into the larger idea of the show to help people grow.

[5:51] Doug does not worry about missing out as much as he used to. He still experiences some fear of missing out, but it is not as prevalent.

[10:57] As adults, we also have to recognize that our children will have the same fear of missing out that we used to. Setting up an open line of communication will help your kids learn to be truthful with you and allow you to help them make better decisions.

[15:12] As you get more comfortable with yourself, you also get more comfortable with your own decisions. This can help you “miss out” without the fear and self-judgement.

[18:30] Jeremy and Doug move into discussing digital detoxes. Our devices can interfere with out connections, especially as we struggle to break the habits we’ve formed around technology.

[22:32] One improvement Doug has made is setting limits on his email notifications. This helps him limit not just his time spent on his phone, but also the time he spends thinking about work outside of work.

[29:00] Teaching your kids how to have a healthy relationship with technology is all about intentionality. You have to set an example for your kids through your own technology use.

[35:30] If you don’t engage with your kids, especially young kids, you encourage bad behavior. They will start to act out to get your attention.

[39:11] What do you do to settle and be more intentional? As men, many of us carry a lot of pressure with us as we try to tackle everything at once. We want to hear from you!

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Great decision makers aren’t defined by the decisions they make during predictable times; they know how to adapt to change in the face of adversity and pivot when necessary. In today’s episode of Never In Reverse, Jeremy and Doug discuss starting over as it applies to their business, families, and personal lives. They give tips on how you can position yourself to quickly adapt to change and share their experiences with change and starting over.

Adapting to change is a crucial skill for business owners. At Fluent Conveyors, Jeremy and Doug adapt to change quickly, whether that change is in their clients or in the adoption of new technology. In their personal lives, change is about both adapting to the unexpected and being able to accept when they are wrong. To foster positive change in yourself, they recommend surrounding yourself with people who push you to be the best version of yourself.

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[2:15] Today’s episode is about starting over, and how starting over takes courage. On the business side, Jeremy embraces change at work and always looks for ways to move forward.

[8:00] Doug brings up how starting over also related to automation and technology. While the processes your company has in place may feel comfortable, staying ahead of the curve should come first.

[12:03] Jeff Bezos famously said that while his company has expanded to be one of the largest in the world, the time it takes him to make decisions is the same as it was when Amazon was a bookstore.

[14:55] When Jeremy graduated college, he felt the transition from college to adulthood very deeply.

[16:31] Doug feels that he bit off more than he could chew early on, getting married and having kids in quick succession. The recession coincided with these life events, and Doug had to learn to adapt quickly.

[19:20] A big part of adapting to change in your personal life is accepting when you’re wrong, particularly in marriage. You have to be willing to let go of your old habits and ideas if they aren’t serving you.

[24:49] Your friends can also impact the changes you make. Choosing friends who push you forward instead of holding you back can make it easier to become a better person.

[28:27] It is important to lean on the people around you during periods of change. Everyone has faced adversity, so everyone has something to offer to help get you through it.

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