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  • Redefining Reintegration: Charlotte Garnes on Second Chances and Justice-Impacted Women
    Nov 12 2025
    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sit down with Charlotte Garnes, founder of RENFORCE and Redemption House, to explore what it truly means to transform pain into purpose. After serving 46 months in federal prison, Charlotte used what she calls her "righteous anger" to create pathways of hope and opportunity for justice-impacted women. Today, she leads initiatives that focus on reentry support, leadership development, and mental health awareness—helping individuals move from surviving to thriving. From being terminated after disclosing her conviction to being named Augusta's 2025 Remarkable Woman, Charlotte's journey is a masterclass in resilience, faith, and service. She opens up about the systemic barriers facing returning citizens, how communities can take shared responsibility for reintegration, and the ripple effects of incarceration on families—especially children left behind. Together, we discuss the power of stable employment, the critical role of mental health care, and the need for safe spaces like Redemption House that allow women to heal and rebuild their lives with dignity. Charlotte also shares the story of a young woman who completed RENFORCE's program and, for the first time, felt proud of finishing something—proof that second chances can rewrite futures. Three Key Takeaways 1. Turning Pain into Purpose Charlotte's story shows that what breaks you can also build you. Her "righteous anger" became the foundation for RENFORCE and Redemption House—organizations that help women rebuild their lives after incarceration. 2. Community Responsibility in Reentry Reintegration doesn't end with the individual—it's a community effort. Charlotte challenges employers and society to create fair opportunities that reduce recidivism and strengthen families. 3. Healing Beyond the Sentence True freedom begins with healing. Through mental health support, leadership development, and safe spaces for women, Charlotte demonstrates that thriving after incarceration is not only possible but necessary for generational change. Why Listen If you've ever wondered how people rise after their most difficult seasons, this conversation will move you. Charlotte Garnes brings both vulnerability and vision as she redefines what second chances look like for justice-impacted women. You'll walk away inspired to see redemption in action—and reminded that transformation doesn't just change one life; it can change entire communities. Connect with Charlotte Garnes 🌐 www.reNforce.org 📞 833-273-6367 📱 Instagram | Facebook | TikTok 📝👧🏽👩🏽🧓🏽📖 This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years. You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here. 📝👧🏽👩🏽🧓🏽📖 If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces: Website LinkedIn Instagram Facebook X Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word. The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay. Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.
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  • Inside the Walls: Rudolph Brothers on Families, Justice, and Life Beyond the Sentence
    Oct 29 2025

    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sit down with Rudolph Brothers Jr., a seasoned attorney who has spent over 30 years in the criminal justice system—beginning as a corporate lawyer, then serving as a public defender, prosecutor, and Division Director for the Office of State Counsel for Offenders in Texas. In his decades of service representing incarcerated individuals, Mr. Brothers witnessed firsthand how incarceration impacts not just inmates, but their families, children, and communities.

    Now retired, Rudolph reflects on his life's work, the dehumanizing effects of solitary confinement, and his ongoing advocacy for justice reform. He shares how his early experiences with racial profiling as a child shaped his commitment to the law—and how compassion and fairness have guided him throughout his career.

    This powerful conversation explores the human side of justice, the importance of family connection during incarceration, and what true rehabilitation should look like in America's prison system.

    Three Key Takeaways:

    The Human Cost of Incarceration

    Rudolph reveals how distance, isolation, and lack of visitation erode family bonds and dehumanize incarcerated individuals, emphasizing the emotional toll that incarceration takes on both sides of the prison walls.

    Dignity in Representation

    He shares the care taken to ensure inmates were presented in court as people first—not just prisoners—by allowing them civilian clothes, grooming, and dignity during trial.

    Faith in Reform and Redemption

    Despite systemic flaws, Rudolph remains hopeful about growing reforms that remove barriers to employment and restore civil rights, helping formerly incarcerated people reintegrate into society with purpose and dignity.

    Why Listen

    If you care about criminal justice reform, rehabilitation, or the impact of incarceration on families, this episode offers an eye-opening look at how one man's legal career became a lifelong mission to restore humanity within the justice system. From courtroom advocacy to compassion behind prison walls, Rudolph Brothers Jr.'s story will leave you reflecting on mercy, equity, and the shared humanity in us all. Also, Rudolph references this My Cotton Patch Moment episode: From Prison Bars to Power: Robyn Hasan-Simpson's Rise to Lead and Liberate

    Find Rudolph Brothers Jr. in these places:

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rudolphbrothersjr/

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay.

    Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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  • Behind Bars Beyond Walls: Dr. Karma Johnson's Ministry To Children Of Incarcerated Parents
    Oct 15 2025

    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sit down with Reverend Dr. Karma Johnson—Senior Chaplain, Assistant Pastor at Turner Monumental AME Church, and longtime Angel Tree advocate. With a ministry grounded in compassion and community service, Dr. Johnson has dedicated her life to supporting incarcerated individuals and, just as importantly, their children and families left behind.

    She opens up about the transformative power of the Angel Tree program, how faith communities can bridge the gap for children impacted by incarceration, and the ripple effects of love and mentorship on breaking the school-to-prison pipeline. From providing holiday gifts and year-round support to creating spaces of hope, Dr. Johnson's work shines a light on the healing power of faith, restoration, and practical community care.

    This conversation dives deep into the intersection of incarceration, childhood trauma, faith, and advocacy, offering both spiritual encouragement and actionable insight for families, educators, and churches.

    Three Key Takeaways:

    The Angel Tree Difference

    Dr. Johnson explains how Angel Tree extends far beyond Christmas gifts—connecting children to camps, mentors, and year-round support that restores dignity and hope.

    Breaking the School-to-Prison Pipeline

    She outlines how children of incarcerated parents face systemic pushout from schools, and why churches, educators, and communities must step in to disrupt this cycle.

    Faith as Restoration

    Through her chaplaincy and ministry, Dr. Johnson shows how grace, mercy, and community care can heal families fractured by incarceration and remind children they are not forgotten.

    Why Listen

    If you care about children's well-being, justice reform, or the role of faith in transforming lives, this episode will open your eyes and stir your heart. Dr. Johnson's ministry offers a blueprint for how communities can step up, stand in the gap, and love children beyond the stigma of incarceration.

    You can connect with Dr. Johnson through her church community:

    Turner Monumental AME Church

    66 Howard Street

    Atlanta, GA (Kirkwood community)

    Email: Dr.Karma@turnermonumental.org

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay.

    Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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  • Balancing the Scales: Judge Tonya Rainwater's Reflections on Justice and Equity
    Oct 1 2025

    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sit down with retired Florida Circuit Judge Tonya Rainwater, a trailblazing leader who presided over every division of the 18th Judicial Circuit from 1991 to 2019 and helped establish Brevard County's first drug court. Twice elected chief judge, Rainwater spearheaded programs like the Rainwater Center for Girls, offering a lifeline to juvenile girls in crisis and reshaping approaches to justice with compassion.

    She reflects on the moment she chose law as her path and how years on the bench taught her that listening with empathy can be a judge's most powerful tool. From witnessing children torn between unsafe homes and the hope of adoption, to celebrating the joy of "forever families," her stories reveal both heartbreak and healing. She speaks candidly about addiction and incarceration, sharing why drug courts and education offer a way forward when prison alone cannot. And she recalls the powerful moments when former juveniles returned years later to thank her—proof that compassion, second chances, and community support can truly change lives.

    This episode dives deep into justice reform, equity, family bonds, and the human side of the court system. Whether you're passionate about juvenile justice reform, drug court innovation, or community mentorship, Judge Rainwater's wisdom and heart will inspire you to see the humanity behind the headlines.

    Three Key Takeaways

    Compassion and Listening Matter

    Judge Rainwater's career shows that every case is unique, and true justice begins with hearing each person's story with fresh ears. Her approach to listening with empathy reminds us that fairness isn't just about the law—it's about humanity.

    Support Systems Change Lives

    From mentoring programs to relative adoptions and diversion courts, Rainwater highlights how community support can break cycles of trauma and crime. Providing resources and guidance gives individuals and families the chance to build stronger, safer futures.

    Community Action Is Powerful

    Rainwater emphasizes that everyone has a role to play in creating a more just society. Whether volunteering with Big Brothers Big Sisters or mentoring children of incarcerated parents, small, local efforts can create lasting change.

    Why Listen

    If you care about criminal justice reform, youth advocacy, family resilience, or restorative practices, this conversation offers actionable hope and a rare, compassionate look into the courtroom.

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay. Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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  • Antonio Brown's Journey from Poverty to Purpose
    Sep 17 2025

    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sit down with Antonio Brown, entrepreneur, activist, and the first LGBTQ person of color elected to Atlanta's City Council. From growing up with parents cycling in and out of prison to dropping out of high school at 15 to support his siblings, Antonio's story is a testament to resilience, faith, and the power of possibility.

    He opens up about surviving childhood trauma, carrying adult responsibilities far too young, and transforming pain into purpose. Antonio went on to build a nationally recognized fashion brand, raise millions in investment, and step into political leadership—using his platform to champion equity and justice for marginalized communities.

    This conversation dives deep into the intersections of poverty, incarceration, identity, entrepreneurship, and public service, offering lessons in grit, faith, and self-belief.

    Three Key Takeaways

    • Resilience Through Adversity

    Antonio's early years—marked by incarceration, abuse, and poverty—shaped his drive to overcome obstacles and refuse the label of "statistic."

    • Faith as a Foundation

    He shares how faith, even as small as a mustard seed, fueled his determination to build businesses, uplift communities, and keep going when the odds were stacked against him.

    • From Survivor to Trailblazer

    Antonio's journey from Kroger bagger to fashion brand founder, and ultimately to City Council, illustrates how lived experience can be transformed into leadership and advocacy.

    Why Listen

    If you care about justice reform, breaking cycles of generational hardship, LGBTQ leadership, or the power of faith and perseverance, this episode will move and inspire you. Antonio's life proves that no matter your beginnings, you can rise to leadership and create lasting impact.

    Find Antonio Brown in these places:

    Website: https://www.stirhouse.com/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stirhouseatlanta/

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay. Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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  • From Prison Bars to Power: Robyn Hasan-Simpson's Rise to Lead and Liberate
    Sep 3 2025

    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sat down with Robyn Hasan-Simpson, Executive Director of Women on the Rise GA and co-founder of HOAPE (Helping Others Achieve Power and Equity). From serving 10 years in prison to becoming a leading voice for criminal justice reform, re-entry advocacy, and women's empowerment, Robyn shares her powerful journey of resilience, faith, and leadership.

    She opens up about the emotional toll of incarceration, raising her daughter from behind prison walls, and how she turned her sentence into a mission to uplift women inside and fighting for systemic change outside. From launching a prison newsletter to co-authoring laws that protect survivors of domestic violence, Robyn embodies what it means to rise, lead, and liberate.

    This conversation dives deep into the intersection of mass incarceration, motherhood, re-entry, faith, and advocacy, offering both personal truth and actionable hope.

    Three Key Takeaways

    1. Resilience is Revolutionary

      Robyn's story proves that even in the most dehumanizing systems, purpose and community can blossom. Her leadership began behind bars—helping women earn GEDs, creating a newsletter, and mentoring others.

    2. Motherhood and Incarceration

      Robyn reflects on raising her daughter from a distance, the painful role shift from "mother" to "sister," and how honesty and open communication kept their bond alive.

    3. Advocacy Creates Change

      Today, through Women on the Rise GA and HOAPE, Robyn is reshaping laws, addressing mass incarceration in Georgia, and restoring voting rights for thousands of formerly incarcerated citizens. Her work is a testament that storytelling and advocacy can transform entire communities.

    Why Listen

    If you care about justice reform, women's empowerment, faith through struggle, or the healing power of storytelling, this episode will inspire and challenge you. Robyn's rise from prison bars to national leadership is proof that redemption and resilience are possible—and necessary—for building a more just society.

    Find Robyn Hasan-Simpson in these places:

    Women on the Rise GA: https://www.womenontherisega.org/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/womenontherisega/

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/women-on-the-rise-ga/

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay. Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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  • Unshackled: Amy Ard's Fight for Incarcerated Mothers and Their Children
    Aug 20 2025

    In this episode of My Cotton Patch Moment, I sit down with Amy Ard, the executive director of Motherhood Beyond Bars. This organization is rewriting the narrative for incarcerated mothers, their children, and caregivers. Amy's journey into this work began with one unforgettable—and heartbreaking—moment: witnessing a woman give birth while shackled to a hospital bed. That image sparked a mission that would change laws, build support networks, and offer real hope to families facing unthinkable challenges.

    Amy shares how Motherhood Beyond Bars provides holistic family support, from childbirth education inside prisons to supplying diapers for caregivers on the outside. We talk about the reality that every baby in their program is born with two adverse childhood experiences (ACEs): an incarcerated parent and separation from their primary caregiver within days of birth. Through advocacy, education, and direct aid, her team works to preserve and strengthen those fragile parent-child bonds.

    We also explore Amy's wish list for systemic change, which starts with diverting mothers from prison into treatment—addressing the root causes of incarceration, such as trauma and substance use disorders, rather than simply punishing. From anti-shackling legislation in Georgia to groundbreaking research with Harvard on the impact of incarceration on infants, Amy's story is a testament to the power of action, compassion, and relentless advocacy.

    This conversation will open your eyes to the hidden ripple effects of imprisonment—and inspire you to see justice not as punishment, but as restoration.

    Three Key Takeaways:

    1. Justice Must Be Restorative: We need alternatives to incarceration for mothers, especially when root causes like trauma and addiction go unaddressed.

    2. Connection Is Survival: Maintaining the bond between incarcerated mothers and their children is essential for breaking generational cycles of incarceration.

    3. Support Changes Outcomes: From diapers to legal advocacy, targeted support can stabilize families and protect children from lifelong trauma.

    Find Amy Ard in these places:

    Motherhood Behind Bars

    Website: https://www.motherhoodbeyond.org/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/motherhoodbeyondbars/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/motherhoodbeyondbars/

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@motherhoodbeyondbars3544

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" and when her new book, The Hope Club, publishes here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay. Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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  • Missing Mama: The Toll of Maternal Incarceration
    Aug 6 2025

    Welcome to Season Four of My Cotton Patch Moment. I've spent the summer reflecting deeply—on healing, justice, and the stories we rarely tell. Inspired by Nelson Mandela's quote about knowing a nation through its prisons, I knew I had to begin this new season with the voices and stories that are too often ignored: the children of incarcerated mothers.

    This episode is one of the most personal and powerful I've ever shared. As I worked on my upcoming children's book, The Hope Club, I kept thinking about the ripple effects of parental incarceration—especially when it's Mama who is missing. What happens when the woman who sings lullabies and packs lunches is suddenly gone? The silence that follows isn't just emotional—it's structural, societal, and generational.

    In this episode, I introduce you to children like Adam and Ava—bright, imaginative three-year-old twins who had their world turned upside down when their mother was arrested for trying to steal diapers and formula. They didn't understand sentencing; they only knew no one was there to kiss them goodnight.

    We'll also look at the staggering truth: over 150,000 women are incarcerated in the United States, and nearly 80% of them are mothers—many of whom were the primary caregivers when they were arrested. Most are in prison for nonviolent offenses tied to poverty, addiction, trauma, or survival.

    This episode is my Cotton Patch moment. I don't just want to inform—I want to invite you into reflection and action. I believe we must redefine justice—not simply as punishment, but as restoration. We must stop treating these women as disposable and start recognizing their need for healing, support, and dignity. And we must hold space for their children—because they deserve stability, connection, and love.

    This season, we'll hear from counselors, nonprofit leaders, family court judges, and the people who have been behind the bars. We'll explore trauma, resilience, and the sacred work of storytelling. Whether you're walking this journey yourself or standing beside someone who is, this space is for you.

    Three key takeaways from this powerful beginning:

    1. Justice Should Be Restorative, Not Just Punitive: Incarcerated mothers are often survivors themselves. They don't need more punishment—they need paths to healing, rehabilitation, and reconnection.

    2. Children Deserve More Than Silence: Kids don't wait for justice—they wait for their mama. We must advocate for policies and practices that keep families connected and supported.

    3. We All Have a Role in This Work: From making visits possible to supporting reentry programs, each of us can make a difference. Let's stop letting children fall through the cracks and start building bridges of hope.

    If today's episode touched your heart, I invite you to share it, rate it, and subscribe. And always remember: Just because you were born in the cotton patch doesn't mean you have to stay there.

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    This podcast is hosted by Mildred J. Mills. Mildred writes raw and poignant stories describing monumental highs and devastating lows as she takes her reader and listener on a journey of laughter and tears. Mildred survived a childhood of picking cotton on her strict, domineering father's farm and thrived in a male-dominant IT industry for forty years.

    You can find Mildred's memoir, "Daddy's House: A Daughter's Memoir of Setbacks, Triumphs & Rising Above Her Roots" here.

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    If you would love to connect with Mildred, join her in these following spaces:

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    Have you been inspired by this Cotton Patch Moment? If so, Mildred encourages you to leave a review, comment, email and tell her about it! Also, share this episode with someone you love. You never know who needs to hear an inspiring word.

    The music and sound effects for this episode came from Epidemic Sound, Soundstripe and/or Pixabay. Crackers In Soup is the audio editor and producer for this episode.

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