The MC Fireside Chats episode on December 3rd, 2025, focused on data, trends, and the future of the outdoor hospitality industry, led by host Brian Searl. The panel included Phil Ingrassia, President of the RV Dealers Association of America (RVDA); Scott Bahr, President of the Cairn Consulting Group; Simon Neal, Founder of CampMap; Miguel Huerta, President of the Mexican Glamping Association; and special guests Deneen Allen, CEO and Founder of Firecircle; and Jen Ballenger, owner of Jim & Mary's RV Park.

Phil Ingrassia opened the discussion by sharing the RVIA wholesale shipment forecast for North America for 2026, noting a cautious optimism based on incremental improvement. He detailed that RV shipments in the US and Canada in 2025 were up about 3% year-over-year, with the 2026 forecast projecting another incremental growth of roughly 2% to 3%. Phil attributed this cautious outlook to lower interest rates, hoped-for tariff stability, and an expected increase in income tax returns in the US, which typically feeds into discretionary spending. Scott Bahr inquired about the impact of higher-income markets, and Phil confirmed that while entry-level travel trailers drive volume, the higher-end fifth wheels are currently performing well, indicating a focus on more profitable mid-to-higher-level units. Deneen Allen asked Phil about Canadian efforts to attract new Canadians to RVing, and Phil discussed studies showing that 60% to 70% of pandemic buyers plan to buy an RV again, indicating strong retention.

Scott Bahr elaborated on new market entrants, noting a movement toward less expensive forms of RVing like boondocking and overlanding, but highlighted the robust and growing sector of using RVs for events, travel sports, and festivals, with the older millennial group being a key driver. Jen Ballenger confirmed this trend, stating that her park in Missoula, Montana, has seen a great job in attracting event-based travel, emphasizing that RVing is perceived as budget traveling compared to dynamic hotel pricing, a point that Jen has observed over her 25 seasons of operation. Deneen Allen then asked the panel if this group trend represented an opportunity for RV parks to focus more on group camping infrastructure.

Miguel Huerta shifted the focus to the global hospitality market, reporting a decline in hotel demand across the US, Mexico, the UK, and Canada in 2025, with Mexico seeing the steepest drop at 12%. For glamping, Miguel noted steep declines in Spain, Mexico, and the UK, but a surprising 20% increase in demand for glamping sites in Canada. Miguel predicted the glamping industry, especially in Mexico, will consolidate, suggesting that sites designed for B2B or group bookings will be the ones to survive. He emphasized the massive revenue opportunity of the upcoming World Cup for RV and glamping operators, which could be monetized by putting low-entry models to work as Airbnbs.

The discussion turned to the complex relationship between pricing and the guest experience. Scott Bahr stressed that pricing is intrinsically part of the perception of the experience, and operators must effectively communicate the value to justify any increase. Deneen Allen supported this, advocating for a focus on delivering value and a "no discounting" philosophy, instead suggesting that operators set a base floor rate and utilize strategic framing or value-adds. Jen Ballenger noted that while she does offer discounts like Good Sam, she sees less complaining about incremental price increases because consumers understand that everything, including power and property taxes, has become more expensive.

In a final rapid-fire Q&A round, Jen Ballenger asked Scott Bahr about data on campers preferring mom-and-pop parks over corporate parks, to which Scott confirmed a large market for authenticity and rustic experiences. Scott Bahr asked Miguel Huerta about the market for rustic camping in Mexico, but Miguel stated the...

This episode of MC Fireside Chats, hosted by Brian Searl (Founder & CEO of Insider Perks and Modern Campground), dove into a profound discussion on the accelerating pace of Artificial Intelligence (AI), its impact on the Outdoor Hospitality and Recreation Industry, and the importance of enhancing the guest experience in a rapidly changing world. The show featured recurring guests Kurtis Wilkins, Matt Whitermore, and Cara Csizmadia, and welcomed special guest Lizzy Bustamante.

Brian Searl kicked off the show, noting his return to the studio after extensive travel, including conferences like OHI and KOA, and acknowledged the demanding convention season. He quickly steered the conversation toward AI, referencing the new Gemini 3.0 model from Google, which he noted had significantly outperformed competitors like ChatGPT in nearly all benchmarks, describing its performance leap as "night and day". Searl highlighted mind-blowing use cases, such as the model's ability to solve a physics problem written on a napkin in the same handwriting.

Kurtis Wilkins, from RJourney (running about 50-60 locations, 43 branded RJourney, and Advanced Outdoor Management), shared his concerns about feeding business data into powerful models like Gemini, worrying that what is pushed into these models "is no longer yours, that's theirs". He stressed the necessity of disclosing this to stakeholders and ensuring they understand the data protection implications. Wilkins, who had attended OHI, emphasized that AI's primary role will be replacing repetitive tasks, offering an opportunity for companies to redirect time and focus on increasing the guest experience.

Matt Whitermore, Director of Market Expansion at Unhitched Management and Climb Capital (owning and operating 30 parks), agreed with the need for better guest experience, noting that AI is slowing job growth by replacing the need for entry-level roles like analysts, as one person with AI can do the job of many. He shared an eye-opening anecdote about a high-end transient park operator in the saturated Texas Hill Country who is "crushing it" by leveraging AI in marketing and revenue management on the back end, which frees him up to be a human on the front end. This operator has all five-star reviews and impressive revenue numbers.

Cara Csizmadia, President of the Canadian Camping and RV Association, related to the end-of-year burnout but joined the AI discussion by highlighting the generational shift in tool use, noting that her teenage children use ChatGPT over Google. She argued that completely blocking children from using AI tools in school creates a "weird dynamic" because future jobs will require the skill of effectively prompting AI. Csizmadia views the technological shift as an opportunity to maintain focus on the "human-ness" of the hospitality industry, using AI's efficiency to enhance human interactions.

Special guest Lizzy Bustamante, CEO of TillerXR (a virtual tour, GPS-powered platform), discussed how her company is leveraging AI to enhance their product. She envisions using conversational AI to automatically build a virtual tour from images and use image analysis to determine and pull in contextual data—like site information, object detection, and auto-tagging—speeding up the process which currently requires manual input from campground owners. Wilkins immediately saw the value, noting that having this virtual tour data accessible as an API endpoint into AI engines would be "incredibly useful to the consumer" for refining their RV pad rental search. Searl added that AI will soon be able to "watch" the virtual tour and property video for the consumer, finding the perfect match by analyzing every piece of data available.

The conversation then took a broader turn to discuss the US government's Genesis Mission, a new executive order signed by President Trump, which Searl compared to the Manhattan Project. The order focuses on using massive federal...

The special episode of the MC Fireside Chats podcast, hosted by Brian Searl, Founder & CEO of Insider Perks and Modern Campground, took place live from the KOA Convention in Raleigh, North Carolina, on November 19th, 2025. The discussion featured six guests who shared their insights and experiences within the KOA ecosystem and the broader outdoor hospitality industry: Matt Stovold from KOA's Franchise Development in Canada, Gwyn Wathen, Director of Marketing for Recreational Ventures Company, Ryan McPeek and Camille McPeek, owners of the Coshocton, Ohio, KOA, Samantha Chipperfield, General Manager of the Townsend / Great Smokies KOA, and Mike Harrison, Chief Operating Officer of CRR Hospitality . Brian Searl kicked off the discussion by asking each guest about the most impactful thing they had seen or learned at the conference.

Mike Harrison, a veteran of the podcast but a newcomer to the KOA franchise system with CRR Hospitality, shared his initial positive impressions after joining KOA just six weeks prior. Coming from the traditional hospitality franchise world (Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton), he was very excited to see the expected level of franchise support in marketing, operations, and revenue management. Mike viewed the partnership with KOA as a way to "fuel and inject" a particular property and was optimistic about leveraging the brand for "inordinate growth," concluding that the convention "doesn't disappoint".

Samantha Chipperfield, a long-time member of the KOA family who has attended 19 conventions, expressed appreciation for the sense of community and support provided by the KOA leadership team, noting that they consistently have "your back". Brian Searl posed a unique follow-up question to Samantha, asking about the difference between attending the convention as an owner, which she once was, versus her current role as a manager after selling the property to KOA. Samantha responded that there is "way more support" now, contrasting it with the earlier days when decisions and money were solely managed by her family.

Camille McPeek and Ryan McPeek, owners of the Coshocton, Ohio, KOA, highlighted key technological and communal benefits of the conference. Camille was particularly excited and appreciative of the home office's ongoing work to revamp koa.com and develop a better Content Management System (CMS), which she believes will be a "game changer for all franchisees". She also found the session honoring long-time owners, including one family from New Mexico operating their park for 40 years, to be "very inspiring" and felt proud to be part of the "KOA family".

Ryan, in turn, highly valued the networking opportunity, particularly connecting with multi-park owners. As an operator of a smaller park, he appreciated seeing how large-scale operations tackle common challenges like building and growing a strong team. He explained that this insight reinforced his current priority of developing their loyal team members, getting them to take on leadership challenges, and establishing systems to enable future business growth.

Gwyn Wathen echoed the importance of networking, calling it "probably the biggest advantage of KOA convention". He admitted that while the educational sessions are valuable, networking is more important for his multi-property company. Gwyn shared a crucial business insight, stating that networking at the convention is how his company has achieved some of their acquisitions, as it's often the place to start the initial conversations with owners thinking about selling.

Matt Stovold focused on the Canadian market and the general sense of community. He noted that while he has experienced the convention as both a franchisee and a home office employee, the spirit remains the same: it's a "family" where people openly share ideas, talk about business, and build personal connections. Regarding the Canadian market, Matt noted that there has been "really good growth" over the...