Jacob and Jazz talk about the growing presence of kratom extract products in stores, concerns about their sale, and efforts to offer healthier alternatives. In this week's interview, Jazz chats with Matt to discuss the progress he has made since his appearance on Episode #98. Matt shares new insights from his recovery journey and explains how his QuitKit product has become a valuable resource not only for himself, but also for others seeking support.

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Scientists Identified the Lethal Dose of Mitragynine in Kratom for Mice: https://www.inverse.com/article/51089-can-you-overdose-on-kratom

Kevin's Obituary: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/kevin-oliveira-obituary?id=58342246

Vipassana Centers | Vipassana Research Institute: https://www.vridhamma.org/Vipassana-Centers

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Jacob shares holiday sobriety tips in the open. Our guest this week shares the story of her ex-partner Kevin, a talented and magnetic musician whose life was tragically cut short due to kratom toxicity according to death records (no other substances in his system and no pre-existing health conditions at the time of his passing). Through the perspective of his former partner Paloma, the conversation explores the progression of his disordered use, the challenges of withdrawal, the lack of societal awareness, and the emotional toll on loved ones. The episode ultimately calls for empathy, greater awareness, and more responsible regulation, emphasizing that addiction can affect anyone and that hope and support are essential for recovery.

Scientists Identified the Lethal Dose of Mitragynine in Kratom for Mice: https://www.inverse.com/article/51089-can-you-overdose-on-kratom

Kevin's Obituary: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/kevin-oliveira-obituary?id=58342246

Vipassana Centers | Vipassana Research Institute: https://www.vridhamma.org/Vipassana-Centers

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In the intro, Lily and Charlie discuss the isolating nature of Kratom addiction and the importance of reaching out to others for support and community. Lily interviews Eric O, who shares his personal journey with kratom addiction and recovery. Eric describes how he first encountered kratom at a kava bar, initially using it socially and later as a way to manage pain and stress. Over time, his use escalated, leading to financial troubles, strained relationships, and significant health issues. With the support of his wife and family, Eric went through the challenges of withdrawal and relapse, ultimately achieving nine months of sobriety at the time of the interview. He emphasizes the importance of support systems, honesty, and avoiding triggers, and hopes his story will help others struggling with similar addictions.

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In the intro, Jacob welcomes co-host Natalie (episodes 15 and 132) back to the podcast as they catch up on her life, career as a paramedic, and her perspective on seeing substance use issues in the field. Guest Ali shares her journey from early struggles with alcohol and opiates to years of dependence on kratom and the challenges of withdrawal. She opens up about the turning points that led her to seek help, including loss, motherhood, and finding faith. Finally, she reflects on her 18 months of sobriety, the power of community, and the hope that comes with rebuilding a life free from kratom. Link to the quitting kratom community Ali and Natalie are part of:

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In the open, Charlie and Nolan talk about the YouTuber interview from a couple weeks ago. In the interview, Katja shares with Lily her story of discovering the kava and kratom bar scene while living in Brooklyn and later witnessing her partner’s descent into kratom addiction. She offers a candid look at how extract products, financial strain, and secrecy turned their lives upside down and how she found stability through Al-Anon and community support. Her reflections give loved ones and those quitting kratom a grounded view of addiction, recovery, and hope.

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This week features an interview Katie Herzog, author of the book "Drink Your Way Sober." Please be aware, you cannot use the Sinclair Method with kratom as it will cause precipitated withdrawals. The discussion explores medicated assisted treatment, harm reduction. the disease model for addiction, and a range of other topics.

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Nolan interviews Metta Beshay, who posted a video recently named "The Insane World of Kratom & 7-OH" on YouTube. HEADS UP: This guest talks about recent kratom use and is not actively committed to kratom abstinence but shares a range of insights and information about kratom that many listeners may find interesting and/or helpful. Metta's YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/Pqx_bMGeGwc?si=6X8x6P-9-D3MyApvm

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In the open, Nolan and Lily give tips on tapering. Nolan's quitting kratom book: https://a.co/d/b1cgJUJ

In the interview, David Hudnall, a journalist from the Kansas City Star, discusses his investigative reporting on 7-OH (7-hydroxymitragynine). The discussion covers the rapid rise of 7-OH in the U.S. market, particularly in Kansas City, and how is overtaking traditional kratom products in smoke shops and gas stations. The conversation highlights personal stories of addiction, the aggressive marketing tactics used by companies (such as free samples and loyalty programs), and the blurred lines between kratom and 7-OH in the marketplace.

7-OH and American Shaman - Part One ‘It’s addictive, and it’s everywhere’: KC company’s pills hook users across US” By David Hudnall September 18, 2025 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311991573.html

7-OH and American Shaman - Part Two From loans to hemp to smoke-shop opioids, KC businessman pushes legal limits By David Hudnall Updated September 17, 2025 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311969568.html

7-OH and American Shaman - Part Three ‘Sinister industry’: Kansas City company behind 7-OH & a growing opioid epidemic By David Hudnall Updated September 18, 2025 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311767920.html

Inside The Star How we reported on American Shaman, Vince Sanders & the debate around 7-OH By David Hudnall Updated September 17, 2025 11:08 AM https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/inside-the-star/article312119075.html

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