In the open, Lily and Jacob discuss the pitfall of only using the podcast as your sole source of support (don't do it!). In the interview, Britton, a 40-year-old MRI tech and endurance athlete from Colorado, shares his journey from using kratom, including 7OH at the end, for five years to achieving over a year of sobriety through AA's 12-step program. He and Lily explore:

* The isolating nature of kratom addiction;

* The brutal withdrawal process he endured cold turkey;

* A deceptive progression from casual use to physical dependence to disordered consumption with an inability to quit despite a strong desire.

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Recently, we've had a trend of welcoming back old guests mostly to celebrate anniversary milestones but in Elliot's case, he is returning to warn about the risk of relapse. After being almost off kratom for three years - June 2022 to March 2025 - Elliot tried 7-OH during a stressful time in his life. After about 9 months, and getting up to 2,000 mg at a cost of $300 day at his extreme, he is now back on track. Elliot's first appearance in May 2023: https://kratomsobriety.podbean.com/e/2-interview-with-elliot/

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Home | Kratom Anonymous

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Kratom was banned in Connecticut and Louisiana this year, as well as in scores of cities. Ohio and California, two big states, are taking significant actions to crack down on kratom in 2025. What are the alternatives? This episode explores a middle-ground approach to kratom regulation that rejects both total bans and weak, industry-written rules. We introduce six common-sense protections, including point-of-sale education, clear medical warnings, behind-the-counter sales, age verification for online purchases, naloxone availability, and strict limits on high-potency extracts. The goal is to make kratom use safer by offering pre-purchase digital counselling, reducing impulsive purchases, protecting youth, and limiting the most addictive and dangerous products while preserving adult access to lower-risk leaf forms. READ MORE: https://kratomsobriety.com/f/middle-ground-kratom-regulations

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