Episodios

  • Leadership wellbeing & psychosocial risk – a CEOs experience and perspective

    Leadership wellbeing & psychosocial risk – a CEOs experience and perspective
    May 2 2025
    To finish up the three-episode deep dive into leader wellbeing, we thought it important to provide airtime to an actual leader!Rachel Green is the CEO at SANE. Over the past 15 years, Rachel has held a range of senior executive roles and positions on Boards including the National Mental Health Commission, Black Dog Institute, Department of Health and Aged Care, ICLA, Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, and SANDS. With such extensive senior executive, as well as subject knowledge expertise, the conversation was deemed “margarita worthy.”Rachel shares her perspectives on her greatest fear for Australian workplaces from possible unintended consequences of the WHS psychosocial regulatory environment, and shares the question she often asks when people seek her view when serious incidents occur with a link to mental illness…”have we considered if the system and services are adequately funded?”This episode’s topics range from visionary reflections on WHS and inclusion systems and policy level levers, all the way through to the personal toll of leadership on leaders. Thank you Rachel for joining us in the bar for this important discussion that doesn’t receive anywhere near enough attention. Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – Rachel GreenLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:Elemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeTo learn more about SANE and / or offer your support to this amazing organisation websiteEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazonYoutubeBe sure to subscribe, leave us a review or send us a message. This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    48 m
  • Leadership wellbeing – a wicked problem or a quantifiable metric?

    Leadership wellbeing – a wicked problem or a quantifiable metric?
    Apr 17 2025
    It’s an exciting moment in the bar, as Kate and Greg welcome their first guest to Judgemental-podcast. Audrey McGibbon is an eminent thought leader in the world of leadership wellbeing, and the perfect person to tackle the complexity of the wicked problem of leader wellbeing.Can leadership wellbeing be measured? If it can be, why measure it? And what does leadership wellbeing have to do with psychosocial risk management?All these questions and more are explored as Greg, Kate and Audrey navigate the conversation in typical “Judgemental-podcast”….no silver bullets, honest reflections and different perspectives to challenge thinking, and increase safety and psychological literacy.This episode addresses the many complexities of how leaders and leadership intersect with psychosocial risk, and presents meaningful (so therefore not simplistic) ideas on how to respond. Grab your liquid of choice, and enjoy the company of Kate and Greg in the second episode of the deep dive conversations focussed on leadership wellbeing. Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – Audrey McGibbonLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:Elemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeGLWS websiteEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazonYoutubeBe sure to subscribe, leave us a review or send us a message. This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    52 m
  • Leadership wellbeing – a neglected risk and untapped opportunity

    Leadership wellbeing – a neglected risk and untapped opportunity
    Apr 7 2025
    Kate and Greg are back in the bar, with the first ‘deep dive” conversation for season two: leadership wellbeing. Leader wellbeing is a long-standing area of professional interest for Kate, resulting in a conversation brimming with passion and fuel for thought!Kate shares detail on three reports to support the argument that leadership wellbeing is an area of psychosocial risk that is neglected by many organisations – ultimately undermining the effectiveness of not only an organisations’ risk management strategy, but any organisational change or transformation priorities. Kate asks the question – if leaders are such a critical dependency in effective psychosocial risk and change management, why don’t organisations design “safe systems of leadership” that support leaders to be who and how we need them to be?Grab a drink and settle in to join Kate and Greg as they connect “safety” and “psychological” literacy – all whilst having some fun along the way! Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Articles:National Mental Health Commission (2023). Promoting and protecting mental health for executive and decision-makers, National Workplace Initiative, National Mental Health Commission, Sydney Australia. Download hereKate Connors (2024). R Our Leaders OK? R Our Leadership Systems OK? A preliminary investigation in recognition of R U OK? And World Mental Health Days, 2024. Report can be downloaded via Elemental Coaching & Psychology website hereGallup (2024). State of the Global Workplace. Report can be downloaded here Resources:Elemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazonYoutubeBe sure to subscribe, leave us a review or send us a message. This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    45 m
  • Welcome back to the bar

    Welcome back to the bar
    Mar 20 2025
    In the first episode of Season Two, Kate and Greg reflect on listener (and family) feedback from the first season and share not only their favourite conversation moments, but also expand on topical discussion points from episodes. The conversation heats up as they discuss statements which have been made in the psychosocial risk sector which misrepresent legal decisions.Kate and Greg share the plan for Season Two and encourage listeners to provide feedback on each episode, and ask for preferences for “deep dive episodes” into psychosocial risk areas. There is so much to cover in this season and episodes will be recorded based on listener feedback – what topics do you want to hear about first?Grab a drink, join Kate and Greg in conversation as they set the scene for Season Two. - Season One recap – lessons learnt and major talking points- The agenda for Season Two – so much to cover, where should Kate and Greg focus conversations?- Insights into Episode Two Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:Elemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazon Be sure to subscribe, leave us a review or send us a message. This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    38 m
  • A special episode: The High Court decision – Adam Elisha v Vision Australia

    A special episode: The High Court decision – Adam Elisha v Vision Australia
    Feb 24 2025
    Join Kate and Greg as they regroup for a conversation in the bar to discuss the recent High Court decision in the Adam Elisha v Vision Australia case. This case was initially discussed in Episode 4, when the conversation was recorded from a LinkedIn live event Kate & Greg hosted in early 2024.In this episode, Greg summarises the High Court’s decision and distils the legal technicalities into manageable bite sized chunks – extremely helpful for those who find legal technicalities hard to digest! A summary? The High Court concluded that Mr Elisha’s loss was not “too remote”, and the precise psychiatric injury he suffered did not need to have been foreseen at the time the contract was entered.Greg provides listeners with legal takeaways and Kate shares her views as to how this decision challenges her quest for psychological injuries and their severity to be reduced in workplaces. But regardless, the discussion provides another perfect opportunity for the legal and psychological sides of risk management to be meaningfully discussed in a bar side chat.Choose your drink, settle down and listen in to this special episode that not only concludes the Elisha v Vision Australia matter, but also brings Series 1 to a close….Stay tuned for Series 2!- Discussion of the High Court summary and the possible future impacts for employers- What does this mean for psychosocial risk management, and does it change the approach? Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:The High Court decision paper - https://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/downloadPdf/2024/HCA/50Elemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazon This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    33 m
  • Applying traditional approaches to psychological injury in the workplace – have we been barking up the wrong tree?

    Applying traditional approaches to psychological injury in the workplace – have we been barking up the wrong tree?
    Dec 5 2024
    It’s time for Kate & Greg to wax lyrical about one of the most challenging psychosocial risks – interpersonal conflict. Thankfully, the article published on LinkedIn by Karolina Dobson, referencing a study by Gutierrez & Bazeley (2006) brings an evidence base and helpful frameworks into the conversation so it doesn’t wander too far off track!Once again, the complexity of managing psychosocial risk is highlighted in this fascinating conversation. Are all psychosocial risks of equal “risk”? Are all conflicts of equal “risk”? And how do organisations navigate the reality that, just like with stress – not all conflict is harmful, and not all individuals have the same tolerance or response to conflict. Can’t we all just be “adults” and sort it out between ourselves when conflict arises? If only it was that simple….If you are of drinking age and inclination, this is probably an episode where pouring yourself a standard measure of your favourite tonic will complement the conversation nicely.- A review and discussion of Karolina Dobson’s LinkedIn Article, “Applying traditional approaches to psychological injury in the workplace: Have we been barking up the wrong tree?”- Discussion of the research paper by Gutierrez, R and Bazely, P (2006). Workplace Psychological Injury: A Mixed Methods Investigation Into Workers' Compensation Claims.- The balance of healthy conflict and unhealthy conflict. Is all conflict in the workplace harmful?- Interpersonal conflict vs interpersonalised conflict Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – Karolina DobsonLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:“Applying traditional approaches to psychological injury in the workplace – have we been barking up the wrong tree?” - Karolina Dobson, 2024 Published in: LinkedInElemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazon This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    47 m
  • The Vision Australia Cases

    The Vision Australia Cases
    Nov 28 2024
    Join Kate & Greg for a special episode, where the conversation was recorded from a LinkedIn live event from early in 2024.The focus of this episode is to discuss a High Court decision that examines an employer’s duty of care to manage the psychosocial risk of organisational justice, during employment termination decisions and processes. During the conversation the importance of employers taking reasonable action to meaningfully protect and maintain duty of care – particularly when observable signs and symptoms of psychological distress are evident in the employee. Combine that with clear evidence of the deterioration of leadership support, and the complexity of mitigating against the harm that can be caused in organisational justice processes and procedures, particularly when the trust between an employee and their employer is broken, and we have the basis for another interesting conversation.Whether you grab a cuppa (or something stronger), choose your liquid and settle into the virtual bar for another conversation on the complexity of psychosocial risk management. Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:Elisha v Vision Australia Limited M22/2024 - High Court MaterialVision Australia Ltd v Elisha [No 2] [2023] VSCA 288 (28 November 2023) - AppealElisha v Vision Australia Ltd [2022] VSC 754 (13 December 2022) - First instanceElemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazon This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    49 m
  • The Mojanovski decision

    The Mojanovski decision
    Nov 21 2024
    Kate & Greg are back in the bar and they are in the mood to chat!In this episode, Kate and Greg delve into a decision from the Fair Work Commission which reveals some interesting legal and psychological intersections and incongruencies! The conversation centres around employer investigation processes and efforts to protect employees from exposure to additional psychological distress when asked to provide information during investigations, and during formal hearings. The conversation covers procedural fairness, duty of care and “speak up” cultures. Kate and Greg also discuss the importance of HR practitioners in an investigative process and give caution to not over promise as they navigate the complexities of their role.Whether you grab a cuppa (or something stronger), choose your liquid and settle into the virtual bar for another conversation on the complexity of psychosocial risk management.- Overview of the Fair Work Commission decision of the case Mr Zoran Mojanovski v BlueScope Steel Limited (U2024/2763)- Discussion of the complexities for workplaces when it comes to confidentiality and discretion in the investigation process.- Where are the learnings for organisations in creating a psychosocially safe workplace? Connect with us:LinkedIn – Kate ConnorsLinkedIn – Greg SmithLinkedIn – EMLLinkedIn – Mutual Benefits Program Resources:Fair Work Commission, Decision Summary, Mr Zoran Mojanovski v BlueScope Steel Limited (U2024/2763), Available at 2024fwc1473.pdfElemental Psychology & Coaching websiteGreg Smith – Safety Books Proving Safety and Paper SafeEML websiteEML Psychosocial resources – Mutual Benefitshttps://www.eml.com.au/news-community/latest-news/reduce-psychosocial-risks-in-workplaces/ Follow Judgemental: A psychologist and a lawyer walk into a barSpotifyAppleAmazon This podcast series is proudly sponsored by EML. As Australia’s largest personal injury claims provider, EML provide services to the workers compensation, life insurance and CTP personal injury markets. For over 110-years, the EML Group has proudly helped people get their lives back after a workplace injury or illness.The Mutual Benefits program reinvests a portion of EML profits into innovative products, tools, initiatives and services that are designed to improve outcomes for employers, injured workers, and the communities we support.​Click here for the free resources available within the Mutual Benefit program to support psychosocial risk management in the workplace.
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    40 m
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