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What if church unity isn't about everyone agreeing, but about choosing humility and crossing the chasms that divide us?

In this candid conversation, hosts Johan Heinrichs and Wendi Park reflect on Dave Witt’s insights around trust, apathy, and the real cost of indifference among faith communities. They explore how genuine unity and reconciliation require more than polite coexistence—they demand intentional risk, honest conversations, and a willingness to serve outside our familiar circles. Through relatable stories, practical ideas, and references to collaborative efforts like CarePortal, this episode inspires listeners to rethink what it means to be the “Church” in their community and challenges us all to replace indifference with connection and courage.

[00:00] "The Cost of Indifference"

[04:48] "Building Trust Among Churches"

[09:46] Unity Enhances Worship and Witness

[12:49] Bridging Denominational Divides

[13:52] "Building Unity Amidst Differences"

[18:55] "Conversations Beyond Indifference"

[21:26] Nationwide Training for Churches & Camps

[20:20] Attachment Styles Explained

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What if unity in the Body of Christ is not optional, but inevitable?

Hosts Johan Heinrichs and Wendi Park sit down with Dr. Dave Witt to dig into what true unity requires—including the cost of indifference and the power of trust between congregations. Drawing on Dr. Witt’s experience with the TrueCity church network in Hamilton and his research on church relationships, the conversation unpacks why honest collaboration across differences is vital for our witness and worship. Listeners are challenged to move beyond silos, embracing practical steps toward reconciliation, trust, and lasting impact in their communities.

[00:00] Unity: An Inevitable Calling

[05:57] "TrueCity: Churches United for Good"

[09:45] Exploring Trust in Church Collaborations

[12:35] "Choosing Trust Over Indifference"

[14:29] Process of Achieving Church Unity

[17:41] Pursuing Unity with Spiritual Humility

[21:27] Building Trust Between Congregations

[27:03] Value Inter-Congregational Connections

[29:35] Care Lingo

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What does it look like to let go of sacred spaces when they become sacred cows holding us back from true community?

Wendi Park and Johan Heinrichs reflect on their conversation with Erin Oxford, digging into the tension between presence and programming, buildings and relationships, and how our resources can either empower or entrench our ministry efforts. They share honest stories of surrendering physical spaces—whether a church building or a grand ministry centre—to refocus on relational impact and spiritual formation together. From the need for vulnerability in leadership to the surprising blessings found in mutuality with those we serve, this conversation challenges the church to reimagine how we steward what we have and who we are for the good of our neighbours.

[00:00] "See Beyond Labels"

[04:49] "Embracing Vulnerability in Ministry"

[06:23] "Balancing Family and Ministry"

[10:49] Community Support and Sacrifice

[13:33] "Trusting Intuition Over Buildings"

[18:47] "Fasting from Busyness"

[20:13] "Dream Room: Community Visionary Space"

[23:02] CareLingo: Voluntourism

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What happens when we prioritize presence over programs? Hosts Johan Heinrichs and Wendi Park converse with Erin Oxford, Executive Director and Pastor of The Dale Ministries in Toronto. Erin shares poignant stories from her experience, illustrating how living faithfully in messy places can transcend the confines of traditional church structures. From relinquishing buildings to fostering genuine community, Erin recounts how choosing presence brought profound support and connection within the Dale community. Together, they explore how confronting discomfort and embracing vulnerability can transform lives, challenging listeners to rethink the church's role beyond its walls and how each of us can make a significant impact in our communities by simply being present.

[08:59] Nomads with a Schedule

[12:57] Embracing Vulnerability Through Caregiving

[17:03] "Storytelling: A Unifying Force"

[18:18] "Storytelling Across Differences"

[22:00] Love and Grief Interconnected

[25:16] Connect with Your Community

[31:02] "Love and Being: A Divine Call"

[33:27] Care Lingo

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The Ripple Effect: Why Small Acts of Kindness Matter: https://journey-with-care.captivate.fm/episode/s04e12/

Is kindness more than just being nice?

In this thought-provoking conversation, Wendi and Johan Heinrichs delve into the nuances of kindness, contrasting it with mere niceness and examining its transformative power. Drawing from personal experiences and biblical insights, they explore how small and often unnoticed acts of kindness can create ripples that transform entire communities, much like the pollination work of bees. They challenge listeners to distinguish between genuine kindness and the facade of politeness, urging for deeper engagement and presence, especially in the face of complex and challenging issues like reconciliation with Indigenous communities. Wendi and Johan also reflect on the importance of sacrificial giving, the potential for kindness to provoke positive change, and how kindness can be integrated into daily life rather than seen as isolated projects.

[05:39] "Finding Deeper Calling in Service"

[08:20] Acts of Kindness Connect to Faith

[11:00] Sacrificial Giving and Generosity

[13:49] Embracing Your Natural Impact

[16:31] "Kindness vs. Niceness: The Distinction"

[21:17] Reflecting on Kindness Amidst Tragedy

[23:27] Canadianizing CarePortal Challenges

[26:44] Care Lingo

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Have you ever paused to think about the profound impact of small acts of kindness?

Hosts Wendy and Johan Heinrichs explore this very theme with guest Zach Manntai. They delve into why seemingly insignificant gestures can have substantial ripple effects over time. Johan reflects on how the early church was known for their love and bottom-up approach, influencing culture profoundly. Wendy shares a personal story of receiving a dream guitar, emphasizing how generosity transcends the initial act. Zach brings insightful perspectives as he ties together compassion fatigue, sustainable care, and the intersection of faith with public health and justice. Together, they discuss the often-overlooked significance of forming a habit of kindness, the challenges of our transactional society, and the transformative power of presence.

[05:33] Small Acts, Big Impact

[07:38] Everyday Kindness Matters

[11:46] Cultivating Resilient Communities

[13:29] "Kindness vs. Instant Gratification"

[19:29] Embracing Imperfection and Smallness

[23:20] "Transformative Love of Early Christians"

[25:42] Purposeful Kindness Aligned with Calling

[30:31] "Empowering Youth for the Future"

[31:48] Youth Empowerment for Community Change

[36:02] "Reevaluating Health Care Priorities"

[39:39] Care LIngo

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The Cost of Indifference Series Episode 10

Listen to the previous episode with Emily: https://journey-with-care.captivate.fm/episode/s04-good-friday/

What sparks your curiosity to care for others? In this engaging conversation on "Journey With Care," hosts Wendi Park and Johan Heinrichs delve into the role of curiosity as a catalyst for community care. Through heartfelt narratives and their dialogue with Emily, they uncover how curiosity can foster genuine connections and inspire transformative acts of service. By analyzing personal experiences and addressing barriers like fear, they challenge listeners to step out of comfort zones and embrace a life of meaningful engagement with their community. This discussion not only emphasizes the impact of living curiously and intentionally but also encourages embracing every opportunity to grow and serve others with purpose.

[06:13] Curiosity Sparks Connection in Outreach

[07:24] "What Kills Our Curiosity?"

[12:53] "Faith and Personal Growth Encounters"

[15:30] "Church Outreach: Clubbing with a Twist"

[20:31] "Invitation to Action in Solidarity"

[23:11] Reflect, Notice, Trust God

[24:27] Care Lingo: Radical Hospitality

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Has the cross become a cliché? In this Good Friday conversation on Journey With Care, host Wendi Park goes deep into understanding the crucifixion beyond its traditional narrative. Wendi reflects on how her North American evangelical upbringing felt incomplete and explores insights from African Christianity, Francis of Assisi’s humility, and Liberation Theology. She acknowledges Indigenous perspectives, challenging the historical misuse of the cross in Canada. This conversation reimagines Good Friday not as a transaction but as a call to sacrificial love and community action, inviting us to live out heaven on Earth with justice, love, and kinship.

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