David Rieff and Lee Siegel discuss antisemitism and how it is surging across American politics and culture. They begin with Tucker Carlson's remarks in Turkey claiming that Israelis are persecuting Christians, arguing that such dangerous claims rely on a "kernel of truth." In this case, the small truth that enables a large lie is that church leaders in Jerusalem are taking pro-Palestinian positions, which Carlson distorts beyond recognition.
The conversation turns to the mainstreaming of antisemitic sentiment on the right, with references to Nick Fuentes, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and figures such as Father Coughlin and Senator McCarthy. Rieff and Siegel consider how MAGA's coalition and Carlson's platform have expanded what gets a public hearing, with examples from interviews with Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz.
They examine antisemitism and anti-Zionism on the left and at universities, the impact of October 7 and the Gaza war on public attitudes, and the difficulty of separating criticism of Israel from antisemitic tropes within "third worldist" and "settler colonial" frameworks. The hosts debate whether today's atmosphere is genuinely new or a re-emergence of long-standing currents.
A major theme is the post-1945 contradiction at the heart of American Jewish identity. As assimilation deepened, Israel and the Holocaust became central communal "glue," even as younger American Jews shaped by intermarriage and shifting politics feel increasingly alienated from Israel. The hosts ask whether American Jews can meaningfully "break" from identification with Israel, and consider alternatives such as, in the late 19th century, the Russian-Jewish Bund's concept of doikayt ("hereness") versus Zionism, also touching on the cultural Zionism of Ahad Ha'am vs. the political Zionism of Theodor Herzl and the "muscular Judaism" of Max Nordau, while acknowledging that Israel is now a long-established state.
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