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  • AI in Healthcare: Who Benefits, Who Pays, and Who's at Risk in Our Hybrid Analog Digital Society | Expert Panel Discussions With Marco Ciappelli & Sean Martin

    AI in Healthcare: Who Benefits, Who Pays, and Who's at Risk in Our Hybrid Analog Digital Society | Expert Panel Discussions With Marco Ciappelli & Sean Martin
    Nov 15 2025
    AI in Healthcare: Who Benefits, Who Pays, and Who's at Risk in Our Hybrid Analog Digital Society🎙️ EXPERT PANEL Hosted By Marco Ciappelli & Sean MartinDr. Robert Pearl - Former CEO, Permanente Medical Group; Author, "ChatGPT, MD"Rob Havasy - Senior Director of Connected Health, HIMSSJohn Sapp Jr. - VP & CSO, Texas Mutual InsuranceJim StClair - VP of Public Health Systems, AltarumRobert Booker - Chief Strategy Officer, HITRUSTI had one of those conversations recently that reminded me why we do what we do at ITSPmagazine. Not the kind of polite, surface-level exchange you get at most industry events, but a real grappling with the contradictions and complexities that define our Hybrid Analog Digital Society.This wasn't just another panel discussion about AI in healthcare. This was a philosophical interrogation of who benefits, who pays, and who's at risk when we hand over diagnostic decisions, treatment protocols, and even the sacred physician-patient relationship to algorithms.The panel brought together some of the most thoughtful voices in healthcare technology: Dr. Robert Pearl, former CEO of the Permanente Medical Group and author of "ChatGPT, MD"; Rob Havasy from HIMSS; John Sapp from Texas Mutual Insurance; Jim StClair from Altarum; and Robert Booker from HITRUST. What emerged wasn't a simple narrative of technological progress or dystopian warning, but something far more nuanced—a recognition that we're navigating uncharted territory where the stakes couldn't be higher.Dr. Pearl opened with a stark reality: 400,000 people die annually from misdiagnoses in America. Another half million die because we fail to adequately control chronic diseases like hypertension and diabetes. These aren't abstract statistics—they're lives lost to human error, system failures, and the limitations of our current healthcare model. His argument was compelling: AI isn't replacing human judgment; it's filling gaps that human cognition simply cannot bridge alone.But here's where the conversation became truly fascinating. Rob Havasy described a phenomenon I've noticed across every technology adoption curve we've covered—the disconnect between leadership enthusiasm and frontline reality. Healthcare executives believe AI is revolutionizing their operations, while nurses and physicians on the floor are quietly subscribing to ChatGPT on their own because the "official" tools aren't ready yet. It's a microcosm of how innovation actually happens: messy, unauthorized, and driven by necessity rather than policy.The ethical dimensions run deeper than most people realize. When Marco—my co-host Sean Martin and I—asked about liability, the panel's answer was refreshingly honest: we don't know. The courts will eventually decide who's responsible when an AI diagnostic tool leads to harm. Is it the developer? The hospital? The physician who relied on the recommendation? Right now, everyone wants control over AI deployment but minimal liability for its failures. Sound familiar? It's the classic American pattern of innovation outpacing regulation.John Sapp introduced a phrase that crystallized the challenge: "enable the secure adoption and responsible use of AI." Not prevent. Not rush recklessly forward. But enable—with guardrails, governance, and a clear-eyed assessment of both benefits and risks. He emphasized that AI governance isn't fundamentally different from other technology risk management; it's just another category requiring visibility, validation, and informed decision-making.Yet Robert Booker raised a question that haunts me: what do we really mean when we talk about AI in healthcare? Are we discussing tools that empower physicians to provide better care? Or are we talking about operational efficiency mechanisms designed to reduce costs, potentially at the expense of the human relationship that defines good medicine?This is where our Hybrid Analog Digital Society reveals its fundamental tensions. We want the personalization that AI promises—real-time analysis of wearable health data, pharmacogenetic insights tailored to individual patients, early detection of deteriorating conditions before they become crises. But we're also profoundly uncomfortable with the idea of an algorithm replacing the human judgment, intuition, and empathy that we associate with healing.Jim StClair made a provocative observation: AI forces us to confront the uncomfortable truth about how much of medical practice is actually procedure, protocol, and process rather than art. How many ER diagnoses follow predictable decision trees? How many prescriptions are essentially formulaic responses to common presentations? Perhaps AI isn't threatening the humanity of medicine—it's revealing how much of medicine has always been mechanical, freeing clinicians to focus on the parts that genuinely require human connection.The panel consensus, if there was one, centered on governance. Not as bureaucratic obstruction, but as the framework that allows ...
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  • The New Copyright and Rights Battle: Who Owns the Sound of AI When Machines Make Music? | A Panel Conversation with  Chandler Lawn, Michael Sheldrick, Drew Thurlow, Puya Partow-Navid, and Marco Ciappelli | Music Evolves with Sean Martin

    The New Copyright and Rights Battle: Who Owns the Sound of AI When Machines Make Music? | A Panel Conversation with  Chandler Lawn, Michael Sheldrick, Drew Thurlow, Puya Partow-Navid, and Marco Ciappelli | Music Evolves with Sean Martin
    Nov 13 2025
    Show NotesAs artificial intelligence begins generating music from vast datasets of human art, a fundamental question emerges: who truly owns the sound of AI? This episode of Music Evolves brings together a law student and former musician Chandler Lawn, music industry executive and professor Drew Thurlow, Michael Sheldrick, Co-Founder of Global Citizen, and intellectual property attorney Puya Partow-Navid, alongside hosts Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli, to examine how AI is reshaping authorship, licensing, and the meaning of originality.The panel explores how AI democratizes creation while exposing deep ethical and economic gaps. Lawn raises the issue of whether artists whose works trained AI models deserve compensation, asking if innovation can be ethical when built on uncompensated labor. Thurlow highlights how, despite fears of automation, generative AI music accounts for less than 1% of streaming royalties—suggesting opportunity, not replacement.Sheldrick connects the conversation to a broader global context, describing how music’s economic potential could drive sustainable development if nations modernize copyright frameworks. He views this shift as a rare chance to position creative industries as engines for jobs and growth.Partow-Navid grounds the discussion in legal precedent, pointing to landmark cases—from Two Live Crew to George R. R. Martin—as markers of how courts may interpret fair use, causality, and global jurisdiction in AI-driven creation.Together, the guests agree that the debate extends beyond legality. It’s about the emotional authenticity that makes music human. As Chandler notes, “We connect through imperfection.” Marco adds that live performance may ultimately anchor value in a world saturated by digital replication.This conversation captures the tension—and promise—of a future where music, technology, and law must learn to play in harmony.GuestsChandler Lawn, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at The University of Texas School of Law | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chandlerlawn/Drew Thurlow, Adjunct Professor at Berklee College of Music | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewthurlow/Michael Sheldrick, Co-Founder and Chief Policy, Impact and Government Affairs Officer at Global Citizen | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sheldrick-30364051/Puya Partow-Navid, Partner at Seyfarth Shaw LLP | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/puyapartow/Marco Ciappelli, Co-Founder, ITSPmagazine and Studio C60 | Website: https://www.marcociappelli.comHostSean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine, Studio C60, and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast & Music Evolves Podcast | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com/ResourcesLegal Publication: You Can’t Alway Get What You Want: A Survey of AI-related Copyright Considerations for the Music Industry published in Vol. 32, No. 3 of the Texas State Bar Entertainment and Sports Law Journal.BOOK: Machine Music: How AI Is Transforming Music’s Next Act by Drew Thurlow: https://www.routledge.com/Machine-Music-How-AI-is-Transforming-Musics-Next-Act/Thurlow/p/book/9781032425242BOOK: From Ideas to Impact: A Playbook for Influencing and Implementing Change in a Divided World by Michael Sheldrick: https://www.fromideastoimpact.com/AI and Copyright Blogs:https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/category/ai/https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/2025/11/dr-thaler-is-right-in-part/https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/2025/07/californias-ai-law-has-set-rules-for-generative-ai-are-you-ready/https://www.gadgetsgigabytesandgoodwill.com/2025/06/copyright-office-firings-spark-constitutional-concerns-amid-ai-policy-tensions/Newsletter (Article, Video, Podcast): The Human Touch in a Synthetic Age: Why AI-Created Music Raises More Than Just Eyebrows: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/human-touch-synthetic-age-why-ai-created-music-raises-martin-cissp-s9m7e/Article — Universal and Sony Music partner with new platform to detect AI music copyright theft using ‘groundbreaking neural fingerprinting’ technology: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/universal-and-sony-music-partner-with-new-platform-to-detect-ai-music-copyright-theft-using-groundbreaking-neural-fingerprinting-technology/Article: When Virtual Reality Is A Commodity, Will True Reality Come At A Premium: https://sean-martin.medium.com/when-virtual-reality-is-a-commodity-will-true-reality-come-at-a-premium-4a97bccb4d72Global Citizen: https://www.globalcitizen.org/Gallo Music (Gallo Records, South Africa): https://www.gallo.co.za/Global Citizen Festival: https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/festival/Andy Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith (Shepard Fairey / “Hope” poster context): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/598/21-869/case.pdfGeorge R. R. Martin / Authors Guild v. OpenAI (current AI training lawsuit): https://authorsguild.org/news/ag-and-authors-file-class-action-suit-against-openai/Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. (2 Live Crew “Pretty...
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  • THE SEASONS IN A BREATH | A Short Bedtime Story Written By Marco e Lucia Ciappelli (English Version) | Stories Sotto Le Stelle Podcast | Short Stories For Children And The Young At Heart

    THE SEASONS IN A BREATH | A Short Bedtime Story Written By Marco e Lucia Ciappelli (English Version) | Stories Sotto Le Stelle Podcast | Short Stories For Children And The Young At Heart
    Nov 12 2025

    THE SEASONS IN A BREATH

    Autumn appeared at the window and looked around
    — it was November.

    "The leaves are yellow and red.
    The swallows fly away in flocks over the rooftops.
    The crisp air smells of roasted chestnuts and burning wood.
    I like it this way,"
    Autumn exclaimed.

    Winter opened the door and looked around
    — it was January.

    "The snow and the freezing wind.
    In the woods, mistletoe on branches beneath a blanket of ice.
    The marmot sleeps in her covered den, dreaming of the stars.
    How lovely it is to be warm and cozy!"
    Winter exclaimed.

    Spring stepped out onto the terrace and looked around
    — it was April.

    "The flowers bloom and the birds chirp, returning to their nests.
    With the mild temperature, joyful life vibrates in the air.
    How wonderful!"
    Spring exclaimed.

    Summer went into the garden and looked around
    — it was July.

    A cat rests in the shade of a pine tree.
    The air smells of cut grass and ripe fruit.
    The butterflies dance carefree to the song of the cicadas.
    The sun makes me smile!"
    Summer exclaimed.

    The months pass and the year spins at great speed,
    but they will always bring something beautiful.


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  • New Event | Global Space Awards 2025 Honors Captain James Lovell Legacy at Natural History Museum London | A conversation with Sanjeev Gordhan | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli

    New Event | Global Space Awards 2025 Honors Captain James Lovell Legacy at Natural History Museum London | A conversation with Sanjeev Gordhan | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli
    Nov 11 2025
    ____________Podcast Redefining Society and Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappellihttps://redefiningsocietyandtechnologypodcast.com ____________Host Marco CiappelliCo-Founder & CMO @ITSPmagazine | Master Degree in Political Science - Sociology of Communication l Branding & Marketing Advisor | Journalist | Writer | Podcast Host | #Technology #Cybersecurity #Society 🌎 LAX 🛸 FLR 🌍WebSite: https://marcociappelli.comOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marco-ciappelli/____________This Episode’s SponsorsBlackCloak provides concierge cybersecurity protection to corporate executives and high-net-worth individuals to protect against hacking, reputational loss, financial loss, and the impacts of a corporate data breach.BlackCloak: https://itspm.ag/itspbcweb____________TitleNew Event | Global Space Awards 2025 Honors Captain James Lovell Legacy at Natural History Museum London | A conversation with Sanjeev Gordhan | Redefining Society And Technology Podcast With Marco Ciappelli____________Guests:Sanjeev GordhanGeneral Partner @ Type One Ventures | Space, Deep-Tech, StrategyOn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanjeev-gordhan-3714b327/____________Short Introduction The inaugural Global Space Awards celebrates the Golden Era of Space on December 5, 2025, at London's Natural History Museum. Hosted by physicist Brian Greene, the event honors Captain James Lovell's legacy and recognizes innovators transforming space from government domain to commercial frontier in our Hybrid Analog Digital Society.____________Article "There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you need to be a person who makes things happen."Those words from Captain James Lovell defined his life—from commanding Apollo 13's near-disastrous mission to inspiring generations of space explorers. This December, London's Natural History Museum will host the inaugural Global Space Awards, an event dedicating its first evening to Lovell's extraordinary legacy while celebrating those making things happen in space today.Sanjeev Gordhan, General Partner at Type One Ventures and part of the Global Space Awards organizing team, joined me to discuss why this moment matters. Not just for space enthusiasts, but for everyone whose lives are being transformed by technologies developed beyond Earth's atmosphere."Space is not a sector," Sanj explained. "It's a domain that overrides many sectors—agriculture, pharmaceuticals, defense, telecommunications, connectivity. Things we engage with daily."The timing couldn't be more significant. We're witnessing what Sanj calls a fundamental shift in space economics. In the 1970s and 80s, launching a kilogram into space cost $70,000-$80,000. Today? Around $3,000. That 20x reduction has transformed space from an exclusive government playground into a commercially viable domain where startups can reach orbit on seed funding.This democratization of space access is precisely why the Global Space Awards emerged. The industry needed something beyond its echo chambers—a red-carpet moment celebrating excellence across the entire spectrum, from research laboratories to scaling businesses, from breakthrough science to sustainable investments.The response exceeded all expectations. The first-year event received 516 nominations from 38 countries. Sanj and his team were "gobsmacked"—they'd hoped for maybe 150-200. The overwhelming engagement proved what they suspected: the space community was hungry for recognition that spans the complete journey from laboratory to commercial impact.What makes this particularly fascinating is how space technology circles back to solve Earth's problems. Consider pharmaceuticals: crystallization processes in microgravity create flawless crystal structures impossible to achieve on Earth. The impact? Chemotherapy treatments that currently require hours-long hospital visits could become subcutaneous injections patients self-administer at home. That's not science fiction—that's research happening now on the International Space Station, waiting for commercial space infrastructure to scale production.Or agriculture: Earth observation satellites help farmers optimize crop yields, manage water resources, and predict harvests with unprecedented accuracy. Space technology feeding humanity—literally.The investment mathematics are compelling. For every dollar invested in space innovation, the return to humanity measures around 20x. Not in stock market terms, but in solving problems like food security, medical treatments, climate monitoring, and global connectivity. These aren't abstract future benefits—they're happening now, accelerating as launch costs plummet and commercial operations expand.The Global Space Awards recognizes this multifaceted reality through eight distinct categories: Playmaker of the Year, Super Scaler, Space Investor, Partnership of the Year, Innovation ...
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  • How to Make One SOC Analyst Work Like Ten: Stop Normalizing Everything—Start Solving Something | A Crogl Brand Story Conversation with CEO, Monzy Merza

    How to Make One SOC Analyst Work Like Ten: Stop Normalizing Everything—Start Solving Something | A Crogl Brand Story Conversation with CEO, Monzy Merza
    Nov 11 2025

    When “Normal” Doesn’t Work: Rethinking Data and the Role of the SOC Analyst

    Monzy Merza, Co-Founder and CEO of Crogl, joins Sean Martin and Marco Ciappelli to discuss how cybersecurity teams can finally move beyond the treadmill of normalization, alert fatigue, and brittle playbooks that keep analysts from doing what they signed up to do—find and stop bad actors.

    Merza draws from his experience across research, security operations, and leadership roles at Splunk, Databricks, and one of the world’s largest banks. His message is clear: the industry’s long-standing approach of forcing all data into one format before analysis has reached its limit. Organizations are spending millions trying to normalize data that constantly changes, and analysts are paying the price—buried under alerts they can’t meaningfully investigate.

    The conversation highlights the human side of this issue. Analysts often join the field to protect their organizations, but instead find themselves working on repetitive tickets with little context, limited feedback loops, and an impossible expectation to know everything—from email headers to endpoint logs. They are firefighters answering endless 911 calls, most of which turn out to be false alarms.

    Crogl’s approach replaces that normalization-first mindset with an analyst-first model. By operating directly on data where it lives—without requiring migration or schema alignment—it allows every analyst to investigate deeper, faster, and more consistently. Each action taken by one team member becomes shared knowledge for the next, creating an adaptive, AI-driven system that evolves with the organization.

    For CISOs, this means measurable consistency, auditability, and trust in outcomes. For analysts, it means rediscovering purpose—focusing on meaningful investigations instead of administrative noise.

    The result is a more capable, connected SOC where AI augments human reasoning rather than replacing it. As Merza puts it, the new normal is no normalization—just real work, done better.

    Watch the full interview and product demo: https://youtu.be/7C4zOvF9sdk

    Learn more about CROGL: https://itspm.ag/crogl-103909

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    GUEST

    Monzy Merza, Founder and CEO of CROGL | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/monzymerza/

    RESOURCES

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  • The Schema Strikes Back: Killing the Normalization Tax on the SOC | A Corgl Spotlight Brand Story Conversation with Cory Wallace

    The Schema Strikes Back: Killing the Normalization Tax on the SOC | A Corgl Spotlight Brand Story Conversation with Cory Wallace
    Nov 11 2025
    Breaking Free from Data Normalization: A Smarter Path for Security TeamsTraditional security models were built on a simple idea: collect data, normalize it, and analyze it. But as Director of Product Marketing Cory Wallace explains in this conversation with Sean Martin, that model no longer fits the reality of modern security operations. Data now lives across systems, clouds, and lakes—making normalization an inefficient, error-prone step that slows teams down and risks critical blind spots.Rethinking How Analysts Work with DataCory describes how schema drift, inconsistent field naming, and vendor-specific query languages have turned the analyst’s job into a maze of manual mapping and guesswork. Each product update or schema change introduces a chance to miss something important—something an attacker is counting on. Crogl’s new patent eliminates this problem by enabling search and correlation across unnormalized data, creating a unified analytical view without forcing everything into one rigid format.From Data Chaos to Analyst EmpowermentThis shift isn’t just technical—it’s cultural. Instead of treating SOC analysts as passive alert closers, Crogl’s model empowers them with meaningful context from the start. Alerts now come with historical data, cross-referenced fields, and prebuilt queries, giving analysts the information they need to make decisions faster and more confidently.Efficiency with IntelligenceWallace explains how this approach saves time, reduces training burdens, and cuts dependency on multiple query languages. It helps overworked teams move from reactive triage to proactive investigation. By removing unnecessary layers of data transformation, organizations can accelerate incident resolution, minimize risk, and help analysts focus on what matters most—catching what others miss.At its core, the conversation highlights how removing the barriers of data normalization can redefine what’s possible in modern security operations.Watch the full interview: https://youtu.be/Kx2JEE_tYq0Learn more about CROGL: https://itspm.ag/crogl-103909Note: This story contains promotional content. Learn more.GUESTCory Wallace, Director of Product Marketing at CROGL | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corywallacecrogl/RESOURCESLearn more and catch more stories from CROGL: https://www.itspmagazine.com/directory/croglPress Release: https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2025/11/05/3181815/0/en/Crogl-Granted-Patent-for-Analyzing-Non-Normalized-Data-for-Security.htmlForbes Article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2025/11/05/tackling-cybersecurity-data-sprawl-without-normalizing-everything/LinkedIn Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7391913358817517569-QaCHAre you interested in telling your story?▶︎ Full Length Brand Story: https://www.studioc60.com/content-creation#full▶︎ Spotlight Brand Story: https://www.studioc60.com/content-creation#spotlight Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • Building a Real Security Culture: Why Most AppSec Champion Programs Fall Short | AppSec Contradictions: 7 Truths We Keep Ignoring — Episode 5 | A Musing On the Future of Cybersecurity with Sean Martin and TAPE9 | Read by TAPE9

    Building a Real Security Culture: Why Most AppSec Champion Programs Fall Short | AppSec Contradictions: 7 Truths We Keep Ignoring — Episode 5 | A Musing On the Future of Cybersecurity with Sean Martin and TAPE9 | Read by TAPE9
    Nov 6 2025

    Most organizations have security champions. Few have a real security culture.

    In this episode of AppSec Contradictions, Sean Martin explores why AppSec awareness efforts stall, why champion programs struggle to gain traction, and what leaders can do to turn intent into impact.

    🔍 In this episode:

    • Why compliance training doesn’t build culture
    • The data showing champion programs lack leadership and incentive alignment
    • How developers, AppSec teams, and business leaders each contribute to the gap
    • Insights from OWASP, ENISA, and Forrester on what’s missing

    Sean’s Take:

    When security culture is treated as a checkbox, nothing changes. When it’s connected to ownership, incentives, and everyday work — everything does.

    Catch the full companion article in the Future of Cybersecurity newsletter for deeper analysis and more research.

    For developers: Has your security-champion program helped ship safer code—or just added meetings?
    For application security professionals: Are your metrics tied to risk reduction or participation counts?
    For business leaders: Can you connect your “security culture” investment to measurable resilience?

    📖 Read the full companion article in the Future of Cybersecurity newsletter for deeper insights:

    🔔 Subscribe to stay updated on the full AppSec Contradictions video series and more perspectives on the future of cybersecurity: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllRWnImF5iRnO_10eLnPFWi_

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    This story represents the results of an interactive collaboration between Human Cognition and Artificial Intelligence.

    Enjoy, think, share with others, and subscribe to "The Future of Cybersecurity" newsletter on LinkedIn: https://itspm.ag/future-of-cybersecurity

    Sincerely, Sean Martin and TAPE9

    ________

    Sean Martin is a life-long musician and the host of the Music Evolves Podcast; a career technologist, cybersecurity professional, and host of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast; and is also the co-host of both the Random and Unscripted Podcast and On Location Event Coverage Podcast. These shows are all part of ITSPmagazine—which he co-founded with his good friend Marco Ciappelli, to explore and discuss topics at The Intersection of Technology, Cybersecurity, and Society.™️

    Want to connect with Sean and Marco On Location at an event or conference near you? See where they will be next: https://www.itspmagazine.com/on-location

    To learn more about Sean, visit his personal website.


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  • Bridging the Cybersecurity Divide Between the Haves and Have-Nots: Lessons from Australia’s CISO Community | A Conversation with Andrew Morgan | Redefining CyberSecurity with Sean Martin

    Bridging the Cybersecurity Divide Between the Haves and Have-Nots: Lessons from Australia’s CISO Community | A Conversation with Andrew Morgan | Redefining CyberSecurity with Sean Martin
    Nov 5 2025
    ⬥GUEST⬥Andrew Morgan, Chief Information Security Officer | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmorgancism/⬥HOST⬥Host: Sean Martin, Co-Founder at ITSPmagazine and Host of Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast | On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imsmartin/ | Website: https://www.seanmartin.com⬥EPISODE NOTES⬥The cybersecurity community has long recognized an uncomfortable truth: the gap between well-resourced enterprises and underfunded organizations keeps widening. This divide isn’t just about money; it’s about survivability. When a small business, school, or healthcare provider is hit with a major breach, the likelihood of permanent closure is exponentially higher than for a large enterprise.As host of the Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast, I’ve seen this imbalance repeatedly — and the conversation with Andrew Morgan underscores why it persists and what can be done about it.The Problem: Structural ImbalanceLarge enterprises operate with defined budgets, mature governance, and integrated security operations centers. They can afford redundancy, talent, and tooling. Meanwhile, small and mid-sized organizations are often left with fragmented controls, minimal staff, and reliance on external vendors or managed providers.The result is a “have and have not” world. The “haves” can detect, contain, and recover. The “have nots” often cannot. When they are compromised, the impact isn’t just reputational — it can mean financial collapse or service disruption that directly affects communities.The Hidden Costs of ComplexityEven when smaller organizations invest in technology, they often fall into the trap of overtooling without strategy. Multiple, overlapping systems create noise, false confidence, and operational fatigue. Morgan describes this as a symptom of viewing cybersecurity as a subset of IT rather than as a business enabler.Simplification is key. A rationalized platform approach — even if not best-of-breed — can deliver better visibility and sustainability than a patchwork of disconnected tools. The goal should not be perfection; it should be proportionate protection aligned with business risk.The Solution: Culture, Collaboration, and ContinuityCyber resilience starts with people and culture. As Morgan puts it, programs must be driven by culture, informed by risk, and delivered through people, process, and technology. Security can’t succeed in isolation from the organization’s purpose or its people.The Australian CISO Tribe provides a real-world model for collaboration. Its members share threat intelligence, peer validation, and practical experiences — a living example of collective defense in action. Whether formalized or ad-hoc, these networks give security leaders context, community, and shared strength.Getting Back to BasicsPractical resilience isn’t glamorous. It’s about getting the basics right — consistent patching, logging, phishing-resistant authentication, verified backups, and tested recovery plans. It’s about ensuring that, if everything fails, you can still get back up.When security becomes a business-as-usual practice rather than a project, organizations begin to move from reactive defense to proactive resilience.The TakeawayBridging the cybersecurity divide doesn’t require endless budgets. It requires prioritization, simplification, and partnership. The “have nots” may never mirror enterprise scale, but they can adopt enterprise discipline — and that can make all the difference between temporary disruption and permanent failure.⬥RESOURCES⬥Inspiring Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrewmorgancism_last-night-i-was-fortunate-enough-to-spend-activity-7383972144507994112-V3Zr/⬥ADDITIONAL INFORMATION⬥✨ More Redefining CyberSecurity Podcast: 🎧 https://www.seanmartin.com/redefining-cybersecurity-podcastRedefining CyberSecurity Podcast on YouTube:📺 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnYu0psdcllS9aVGdiakVss9u7xgYDKYq📝 The Future of Cybersecurity Newsletter: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/7108625890296614912/Contact Sean Martin to request to be a guest on an episode of Redefining CyberSecurity: https://www.seanmartin.com/contact⬥KEYWORDS⬥sean martin, andrew morgan, australia, ciso, risk, resilience, cybersecurity, business continuity, governance, compliance, redefining cybersecurity, cybersecurity podcast, redefining cybersecurity podcast Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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