For over four decades, Paul Cavaco has been fashion's invisible hand, the editor who shapes the iconic images we see but rarely thinks about who made them possible. In this episode, Jill sits down with Paul to talk about his work at Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, and Allure, and what it takes to create images that actually mean something. He shares stories about collaborating with photographers like Richard Avedon, Steven Meisel, Annie Leibovitz, and Bruce Weber, and explains the chemistry between editors and photographers that turns a photo shoot into something memorable. Paul also talks about the difference between style and trends, his path from the Bronx to the center of American fashion, and how the industry has changed over the years.

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Note: This re-released episode from June 2025 features Tonne Goodman, longtime fashion director at American Vogue who styled over 200 covers, most with Jill. Tonne witnessed fashion's seismic shift from photographer-first covers to celebrity-driven ones, working under Liz Tilberis at Harper's Bazaar and Anna Wintour at Vogue. This episode returns now because next week's guest, Paul Cavaco, shares a deeply intertwined career with Tonne. They were co-fashion directors at Bazaar before Tonne took over when Paul left for Allure. Like her signature uniform of white jeans, loafers, and a silk scarf, Tonne's work has always been about clarity over noise.

Tonne shares her path from art school and early modeling to working with Calvin Klein before joining American Vogue, where she was mentored by the legendary Diana Vreeland. She recounts behind-the-scenes stories from high-profile celebrity shoots featuring stars like Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Britney Spears, and discusses her collaborations with top photographers including Mario Testino, Steven Meisel, Herb Ritts, and Annie Leibovitz. As they explore her career, Tonne emphasizes the collaborative spirit essential to successful fashion shoots and her diplomatic approach to managing complex productions. Drawing from her own experience as a former model, she reveals her fierce commitment to advocating for and protecting the talent she works with.

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Jill chats with Francelle Daly, a renowned New Orleans-born makeup artist whose journey to the top was fueled by pure hustle and determination. Beginning her career at the Saks makeup counter, Francelle quickly scaled the ranks, working on sets with legendary photographers like Annie Leibovitz and Craig McDean. Francelle shares the story of her unconventional path, her resilience in the face of industry challenges, and her experiences working on high-stakes projects like a celebrity cruise campaign during the pandemic. Francelle also delves into her collaboration with iconic figures such as Grace Coddington and Phyllis Posnick, and the creative freedom she experiences working with independent magazines. She talks about the inception and philosophy behind her brand, Lovecraft Beauty, a venture that aims to build a creative community. Francelle shares lessons on perseverance, innovation, and the power of following one's passion.

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Join Jill for a conversation with iconic image maker Nick Knight. For over 40 years, Knight has redefined fashion imagery, working with i-D, Vogue, and W. From documenting street culture and collaborating with Yohji Yamamoto, Linda Evangelista, and British Vogue to founding SHOWstudio and creating projects with Alexander McQueen, Björk, Lady Gaga, and Kanye West, Knight has transformed how fashion is seen and experienced. He discusses his philosophy that photography is about creating what you want to see rather than capturing reality, addressing digital photography, AI, and the importance of moving forward. Reflections on past collaborations and thoughts on the future of fashion and technology.

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Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a trusted creative partner to photographers like Irving Penn, Richard Avedon, and Steven Meisel, Garren's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. They explore his work on transformative looks: Farrah Fawcett's feathered waves, Linda Evangelista's endless reinventions, and signature styles for Victoria Beckham and Karlie Kloss. Garren reflects on his collaborative relationships with fashion greats including Patrick Demarchelier, Bill King, and Arthur Elgort, plus challenging editorial shoots with Polly Mellen, Phyllis Posnick, Grace Coddington, and Tonne Goodman. From the evolution of hairstyling and the importance of mentorship to the industry's shift in the Instagram and AI era, it's a master class in fashion history for anyone who loves the craft.

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Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the masthead entirely. Sharma's job and the editorial identity she built were swept away in that restructuring, which is exactly why this conversation feels even more relevant now.

Jill sits down with Versha Sharma for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth publications. Drawing from her Louisiana upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, Sharma opens up about the feelings of otherness that fueled her passion for amplifying marginalized voices. The conversation traces her path from Obama's 2008 campaign through her evolution into journalism and her leadership at Teen Vogue during COVID-19 and the social justice reckoning of 2020.
Sharma describes the strategic evolution she guided, from embracing digital-first publishing to prioritizing video content for Gen Z audiences. The episode highlights groundbreaking editorial choices under her guidance, including features on Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk's transgender daughter, and Representative Maxwell Frost, the first Gen Z member of Congress.
Listening back, this conversation is a reminder of what leadership actually looks like in media and how much is lost when the industry sidelines the voices who push it forward.

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Jill speaks with iconic artist and photographer Steven Klein for an intimate exploration of his groundbreaking career. Renowned for his transgressive, culturally resonant imagery, Klein discusses his new book 'Steven Klein Vogue,' which chronicles two decades of boundary-pushing work within mainstream fashion photography. The conversation traces his journey from his Rhode Island upbringing through his transformative collaborations with Anna Wintour, Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Garren, Kate Betts, and Liz Tilberis at Vogue. Klein reflects on working with legendary figures including Alexander McQueen, Madonna, Prince, Pat McGrath, Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Gisele Bündchen, Brad Pitt, and countless other luminaries who have shaped contemporary fashion and culture.

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Jill chats with legendary fashion insider Candy Pratts Price, whose decades-long career has left an indelible mark on the industry. From revolutionizing Bloomingdale's windows to pioneering digital fashion journalism at style.com to serving as Anna Wintour's right hand at Vogue, Candy has been a transformative force behind fashion's biggest cultural moments. She shares her journey from Washington Heights to the industry's highest echelons, offering her unique philosophy on fashion as entertainment and reflecting on how the cultural landscape has evolved throughout her career. Through personal anecdotes and hard-won insights, Candy reveals what it takes to modernize an industry while remaining one of its most powerful yet unseen influencers. For visuals discussed in the episode, visit the Going Rogue podcast's Instagram.

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