It’s the case that launched a thousand theories. Today, we revisit the tragic death of Kathleen Peterson and the murder conviction of her husband, Michael Peterson, as explored in The Staircase. We analyze the ambiguities that permeate every aspect of the case—from the blood evidence to the couple's finances—and the bitter disagreements among professionals. Our main focus, however, is the wildest theory of all: the owl attack. We discuss the evidence—including microscopic feathers and head wounds—that led some experts to propose a barred owl as the killer, and critically examine why people were so quick to embrace this highly unconventional explanation over more conventional ones.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

The holidays are often filled with joy, and sometimes, stress. In this mini-episode, we cut through the confusion and clearly define the difference between boundaries and expectations. We’ll explain why boundaries are about self-care and what you will allow (things you can control), while expectations are about what others should do (things you can’t control). Tune in for simple, actionable tips on how to start thinking about and setting appropriate boundaries over the upcoming holiday season to reduce stress and maximize your peace.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

On September 21, 1996, 15-year-old Danielle 'Danni' Houchins disappeared from a fishing access site in Montana. This episode details the initial investigation's failures, which initially ruled her death 'undetermined' despite evidence of violence. We explore the decades-long fight for justice by Danni's family and dive into the modern forensic miracle: how advanced DNA technology and genetic genealogy finally identified her killer nearly 28 years later. It's a shocking story of how a seemingly respectable, married father and biologist, Paul Hutchinson, committed a brutal crime of opportunity and walked free for half his life.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Self care is important. But what happens when it becomes a crutch? In this episode, we talk about lighter fare including some popular self care activities and what it looks like when our coping skills become maladaptive, causing more harm than good.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In 2006, the Duke University men's lacrosse team was at the center of a scandal after a dancer falsely accused three players of sexual assault. This episode walks through the chronology of the Duke Hoax: from the initial, explosive accusation that ignited a national debate, to the growing realization that evidence pointed to the players' innocence. We highlight the actions of former DA Mike Nifong, who became the first prosecutor in North Carolina disbarred for trial conduct, and discuss the immense legal and personal cost borne by the three young men before they were finally and fully cleared of all charges.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this episode, Jeannine shares a deeply personal story of being assaulted on campus when she was a college student, and the shocking recent discovery that her attacker attempted a similar offense against someone close to her years later. We discuss the documentary The Hunting Grounds and how schools bury these crimes and how the culture of secrecy and victim-blaming enables repeat offenders to run amok. Content warning: First person descriptions of attempted SA

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Daniel Krug wasn't just Kristil Krug's husband, he was her stalker and killer. In this episode, we unpack the elaborate and cruel pre-meditation that led to Kristil’s death, focusing on how her husband acted as a 'puppet master,' attempting to throw investigators off the trail by creating a fake threat. We discuss the red flags in the Krug marriage and the crucial lesson this case offers: that abusers often present as the most trustworthy individuals, making it vital to never dismiss abusive behavior or evidence based on a person’s perceived composure or cooperation with authorities. We look at the evidence that eventually exposed Daniel's dangerous double life.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Do you know how to safely intervene when you see harassment, abuse, or potential violence? This mini-episode is a quick guide to the highly effective Green Dot Bystander Intervention Training. Green Dot operates on the principle that violence is not inevitable, and every person can contribute to prevention. We'll share actionable strategies for intervening while prioritizing your own safety, explaining how to Distract to diffuse a situation, Delegate to get help, or Directly address the issue. Learn how to be a 'Green Dot' and actively help create a community intolerant of violence.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.