When police entered the home of Billie Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth, they found a scene of horror: both parents had been shot, but their infant son was found alive and unharmed in his mother's arms. This episode dives into the proxy violence used by the perpetrator to exact revenge. We break down the 'CIA' emails sent to third parties to incite them to violence and discuss the psychological dynamics of the family that allowed such a transparent lie to take root

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Have you considered counseling in the past but weren't sure? Are you confused about when might be a good time to see someone? Are you interested in 'preventative maintenance' in your relationship but just aren't decided? Check this episode for more information on why, when, and how some people choose to pursue a therapist

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We investigate the ongoing developments in the death of Megan Trussell. Three years after she was found dead in Grand County, the CBI has taken the lead in a comprehensive statutory case review. This episode examines the evidence that prompted the CBI Director to approve this independent look and the specific mandates of the Colorado Cold Case Review team. We highlight the power of family persistence in the face of tragedy and the vital importance of having a 'second set of eyes' on cases that have gone cold or remain shrouded in doubt.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

On Monday, January 19th, a therapist in Florida, Rebecca White, was killed by a former client during an evening counseling session with another client. This tragedy hits close to our hearts as clinicians. We talk a little about the case and share a little about how the news feels to fellow counselors.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

For twelve agonizing years, actress Eva LaRue lived in a state of constant fear. Today, we break down the relentless campaign of terror orchestrated by James David Rogers, who sent over 50 letters filled with graphic threats of sexual assault and murder. We discuss the most disturbing aspect of the case: Rogers didn't just target Eva; he targeted her young daughter, tracking her from childhood into her teenage years. We explore the psychological toll of a decade-long siege and the digital footprints that finally led the FBI to a small town in Ohio.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Join us as we revisit the concept of stalking, this time with a guided tour through the brain activity and research behind how stalking hijacks the brain's natural reward systems to create the twisted fixation that can so often lead to horrible outcomes for the targets of stalkers

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

This week we talk about an update to the 2022 case of John-Paul Miller, an (allegedly) sketchy pastor whose wife was found to have committed suicide. However, new evidence and a new indictment indicate that there was much more going on behind the scenes in this marriage

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this quick informational mini, we discuss the laws in Colorado (and other states) requiring law enforcement to make an arrest in any domestic violence call, as well as the criteria they must use to determine who should be taken in. We talk about the difference between primary aggressor at the scene and predominant aggressor in the relationship, and how these criteria should have been applied in the Petito case and how, if they had, we believe Gabby Petito would still be alive

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.