In this episode of The Elite Trainer Podcast, Kyle sits down with Justin from Mind Pump to dive deep into one of the most overlooked aspects of training—rotation and lateral movement. They break down why these movement patterns are crucial for injury prevention, joint stability, and long-term progress, even for general population clients. The conversation also covers common programming mistakes, how to filter out gimmicky exercises, and why simplicity and intent should drive every coach’s decisions. If you're a trainer looking to build smarter programs and better results, this episode is a must-listen.

INTRO (00:00)
Why Rotation & Lateral Training Matter (00:43)
How to Program Rotational Movements (02:04)
Go-To Exercises for Gen Pop Clients (03:26)
The Role of Rotation in Shoulder Health & Strength (05:01)
Stability, Injury Prevention & Real-World Application (06:20)
Avoiding Gimmicky Movements & Fitness Fluff (11:10)
Trainer Wisdom: Simplicity Over Novelty (14:40)
Common Programming Mistakes & Client Burnout (22:55)
When Programming Starts to Click (26:19)
Real Mentorship vs Textbook Knowledge (30:16)
The Philosophy Behind MAPS Programming (36:17)

Welcome to the Elite Trainer Podcast. In this kickoff episode, Kyle sits down with Sal Distefano of Mind Pump to break down what it really takes to be a great personal trainer. They dive into the most common mistakes coaches make, how to build lasting client relationships, and what separates good trainers from elite ones.

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Welcome & Purpose of the Podcast (00:00)
Should You Become a Trainer? (00:23)
Why Passion for People Matters More Than Fitness (01:38)
Common Reasons Trainers Fail (03:08)
The Real Issue: Lack of Mentorship (04:16)
Big Box Gym vs. Going Online Too Early (06:34)
Traits of Successful Personal Trainers (09:55)
The Importance of Reps & Practice (13:52)
Imposter Syndrome & Confidence (16:38)
Final Advice for a Sustainable Career (18:45)

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