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Counselling Tutor Podcast

De: Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes
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  • 360 – Rupture and Repair in Counselling

    360 – Rupture and Repair in Counselling
    Jan 3 2026
    The Story of the Blob Tree - Ian Long Interview – Rethinking Transference in Person-Centred Therapy In Episode 360 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week’s three topics: Firstly, in ‘Ethical, Sustainable Practice’, they explore rupture and repair in counselling, looking at the inevitable ruptures that can occur in the therapeutic relationship and how recognising and repairing these moments builds resilience and strengthens the therapeutic alliance. Then in ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Ian Long, illustrator and co-creator of the iconic Blob Tree, about the origins, evolution, and global impact of these powerful visual tools in therapy and education. And finally in ‘Student Services’, Rory and Ken rethink transference in person-centred therapy, offering insight into how these dynamics show up during training and why they matter - even outside of client work. Rupture and Repair in Counselling [starts at 03:30 mins] Rory and Ken explore rupture and repair in counselling, emphasising that relational ruptures in therapy are not failures but essential opportunities for growth, learning, and repair. Key points discussed include: Ruptures are normal in therapy and can result from misattunement, transference, or triggering of past trauma. Common signs include client withdrawal, silence, defensiveness, or abrupt subject changes. Effective repair relies on naming the shift gently and being curious about the client's inner experience. Understanding your own attachment and trauma patterns is crucial for managing ruptures. Repairing a rupture models emotional resilience and can deepen the therapeutic relationship. Supervision is essential for processing ruptures and supporting ethical, attuned practice. The Story of the Blob Tree – Ian Long Interview [starts at 23:20 mins] Rory speaks with Ian Long, the illustrator and co-creator of the Blob Tree, about how this simple yet profound tool has supported emotional expression worldwide for four decades. Key points from the interview include: The Blob Tree features a group of non-verbal, genderless characters that reflect different emotional states and interactions. Originally created for youth work, the tool has become widely used in counselling, education, and social work. It facilitates expression for those who struggle with words, including children, non-verbal individuals, and trauma survivors. The success of the tool lies not just in the illustrations but in the skill of the practitioner asking open-ended, exploratory questions. The Blob Tree and related tools are now used in over 150 countries and across various disciplines, including business and humanitarian work. Ian reflects on his creative partnership with the late Pip Wilson and the lasting legacy of their work in fostering emotional literacy. Rethinking Transference in Person-Centred Therapy [starts at 44:58 mins] Rory and Ken challenge the notion that transference has no place in person-centred practice, encouraging students to explore how it shows up in training and personal development. Key points include: Carl Rogers acknowledged transference, though he chose to respond to it rather than interpret it. Transference can occur even outside of client work - in group projects, PD groups, and skills practice. Feelings like the urge to rescue, impress, or withdraw may signal countertransference and warrant reflection. Journaling, peer reflection, and personal therapy can support deeper understanding of relational dynamics. Bringing transference into PD groups (not as blame, but as exploration) helps develop emotional awareness. Recognising these patterns early prepares students for ethical, attuned work with future clients. Links and Resources Counselling Skills Academy Advanced Certificate in Counselling Supervision Basic Counselling Skills: A Student Guide Counsellor CPD Counselling Study Resource Counselling Theory in Practice: A Student Guide Counselling Tutor Training and CPD Facebook group Website Online and Telephone Counselling: A Practitioner’s Guide Online and Telephone Counselling Course
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  • 359 – Getting Over Cancellation Guilt

    359 – Getting Over Cancellation Guilt
    Dec 13 2025
    Supporting Therapists and Clients Through Peri and Post Menopause - Door Knobbing in Counselling In Episode 359 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week’s three topics: Firstly, in ‘Ethical, Sustainable Practice’, they explore getting over cancellation guilt, looking at what therapist cancellation guilt means, why it arises, and how to approach it with compassion and professionalism. Then in ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Ruth Hill about supporting therapists and clients through perimenopause and post menopause - challenging outdated views and reframing this life stage as one of growth, not decline. And finally, in ‘Student Services’, Rory and Ken discuss the phenomenon of doorknobbing - those last-minute disclosures from clients - and how to respond ethically and sensitively in practice. Getting Over Cancellation Guilt [starts at 03:09 mins] In this section, Rory and Ken explore getting over cancellation guilt, examining the emotional impact on therapists when they must cancel sessions and offering compassionate strategies to reframe the experience. Key points discussed include: Cancellation guilt is a common emotional experience, especially when sessions are called off at short notice. Ethically, prioritising self-care supports safer practice and protects the therapeutic relationship. Cancelling when unwell models healthy boundaries and gives clients permission to do the same. Communication is key - offer reassurance, alternative times, and avoid oversharing to prevent client worry. Contracting for cancellations upfront can reduce confusion and help manage expectations. Use supervision to explore guilt, recognise blind spots, and develop resilience in responding to these scenarios. Supporting Therapists and Clients Through Peri and Post Menopause [starts at 21:57 mins] In this week’s ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Ruth Hill, REBT therapist and sports scientist, who shares insights from her CPD lecture on menopause and its implications for therapy. Key points from this conversation include: Menopause is often overlooked, under-celebrated, or medicalised - yet it is a significant life stage deserving validation. Therapists must reframe menopause as a natural transition rather than a deficit or decline. Ruth highlights how REBT and the ABCDE model can help clients challenge perfectionism and internalised stigma. Brain rewiring during menopause affects cognitive and emotional functioning - requiring compassion, not self-blame. The therapy space should allow for honest dialogue, normalising experiences like brain fog or hot flushes without shame. Menopause also affects therapists - being human and modelling acceptance benefits both client and practitioner. Door Knobbing in Counselling [starts at 45:39 mins] In this section, Rory and Ken explore ‘door knobbing’ - when clients make significant disclosures just before leaving a session - and how practitioners can navigate this with care. Key points include: A doorknob comment is typically a serious or emotionally charged disclosure made at the end of a session. Clients may use this as a safety mechanism, dropping difficult truths when time is limited. Therapists should hold the client emotionally and assess immediate risk if necessary. Revisit doorknob comments in the next session with sensitivity - offer choice, don’t impose an agenda. Supervision is essential when managing potential safeguarding issues or feeling overwhelmed. Know agency policies and procedures - particularly for harm to self or others - and act accordingly. Links and Resources Counselling Skills Academy Advanced Certificate in Counselling Supervision Basic Counselling Skills: A Student Guide Counsellor CPD Counselling Study Resource Counselling Theory in Practice: A Student Guide Counselling Tutor Training and CPD Facebook group Website Online and Telephone Counselling: A Practitioner’s Guide Online and Telephone Counselling Course
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  • 358 – Letting Go of the Outcome in Counselling

    358 – Letting Go of the Outcome in Counselling
    Dec 6 2025
    The Horn Effect and Autism – Don’t Lose You in Counselling Training In Episode 358 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly explore this week’s three topics: Firstly, in ‘Ethical, Sustainable Practice’, we discuss letting go of the outcome in counselling - why embracing client autonomy matters. Then in ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Paula Jones about the Horn Effect and autism - how unconscious bias can shape perceptions of neurodivergent individuals. And finally, in ‘Student Services’, Rory and Ken explore not losing yourself in counselling training - staying authentic while growing through your studies. Letting Go of the Outcome in Counselling [starts at 03:18 mins] In this section, Rory and Ken explore how holding on to an expected outcome can compromise client autonomy and therapeutic presence, highlighting the importance of letting go of the outcome in counselling. Key points discussed include: Fixating on a client’s outcome may cause the therapist to override the client’s direction or autonomy. Therapy is not linear - clients may change goals or progress in unexpected ways. The BACP and NCPS frameworks emphasise client autonomy and non-directive practice. Supervisors play a key role in helping counsellors identify when they’re steering the process. Letting go involves being mindful, present, and trusting the client’s self-directed journey. Progress may be subtle or delayed; the therapist’s role is to offer presence, not direction. The Horn Effect and Autism [starts at 28:48 mins] In this week’s ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Paula Jones, a neurodivergent leadership consultant and coach, about the Horn Effect and how unconscious bias impacts perceptions of neurodivergent clients. Key points from this conversation include: The Horn Effect is a cognitive bias where one perceived negative trait skews the entire perception of a person. Neurodivergent individuals often experience quick, unjustified judgements in professional and social settings. Misunderstandings can arise from masking, directness, or non-normative behaviours. Paula highlights the need for neurodivergent-sensitive intake processes and safe, accepting therapeutic spaces. Therapists should be aware of their own unconscious biases and create space for clients to be themselves. The interview includes powerful personal experiences and practical suggestions for inclusive practice. Don’t Lose You in Counselling Training [starts at 58:43 mins] In this section, Rory and Ken explore how training can challenge students’ sense of self and how to stay grounded through the process. Key points include: Students may feel they need to become someone else to be a good counsellor. Counselling training can feel intense - it's important to maintain perspective. True personal growth enhances who you are rather than replacing your identity. Authenticity is key - it's okay to be yourself and still be professional. Supervision and personal therapy support students in processing and integrating their development. Sarah Henry joins to share insights on navigating authenticity and maintaining your core self during training. Links and Resources Counselling Skills Academy Advanced Certificate in Counselling Supervision Basic Counselling Skills: A Student Guide Counsellor CPD Counselling Study Resource Counselling Theory in Practice: A Student Guide Counselling Tutor Training and CPD Facebook group Website Online and Telephone Counselling: A Practitioner’s Guide Online and Telephone Counselling Course
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