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Today’s Episode:

This past Thursday, Dan sat down with Ark Media contributors Nadav Eyal and Amit Segal for a live Call me Back conversion at the Streiker Center in New York City. They discussed a range of issues related to Israeli and Jewish society and the October 7 war. They also took questions from some Inside Call me Back subscribers who were in the room.

(00:00) Introduction

(07:20) Summarizing the past two years

(10:51) The heroism of Aner Shapira

(14:42) Israel’s strength after the horror of October 7

(20:48) Diaspora Jews under attack

(27:15) International criticism of Israel and Israeli self-examination

(42:25) Debate on the hostage dilemma

(52:14) The next few months Gaza

(57:24) Will Netanyahu stay in power?

(1:02:55) Amit’s book (A Call at 4am)

CREDITS:

ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor

ADAAM JAMES LEVIN-AREDDY - Executive Producer

MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor

MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing

MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director

GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research

YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer

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Today’s Episode:

On today’s episode, we are joined by Israeli journalist and Call me Back veteran Ronen Bergman. Ronen recently published a piece for the New York Times titled “A Memo in a Bunker, Intercepted Communications and Hamas’ Oct. 7 Plans,” in which he and his co-author Adam Rasgon discuss a recently uncovered six-page memo from August of 2024, which Israeli officials believe was written by Yayha Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza and main architect of the October 7 massacre. Dan and Ronen discuss how this memo – as well as other documents discovered earlier in the war – shed light onto Hamas’s goals in launching the attack, and whether, in retrospect, they succeeded.

(00:00) - Introduction

(07:23) - Sinwar’s memo recently discovered in Gaza

(09:45) - How Hamas meticulously documented its activity

(12:42) - How do we know this was written by Sinwar?

(13:51) - What this document directed Hamas forces to do

(15:15) - Hamas terrorists ordered to record and broadcast their crimes

(20:20) - Sinwar’s strategy behind broadcasting October 7

(26:03) - What Sinwar got right, and what he got wrong

(28:53) - How Hamas activated support worldwide

(33:39) - 10 Hamas protocols obtained by the IDF in January, 2024

(37:25) - How Hamas managed to deceive Israel

(38:43) - How Hamas chose the date of October 7, 2023

(42:47) - Collaboration between Hamas in Doha and in Gaza

(44:33) - Sinwar’s goal of igniting regional war

(46:17) - Disrupting Saudi normalization and releasing Palestinian prisoners

(49:04) - Sinwar succeeded at terrifying Israelis

(50:46) - The next phase in Gaza will determine the outcome of the war

CREDITS:

ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor

ADAAM JAMES LEVIN-AREDDY - Executive Producer

MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor

MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing

MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director

GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research

YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer

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Today’s Episode:

On Sunday, Palestinian operatives attacked Israeli forces operating in the Rafah area, killing two soldiers and wounding three more. The IDF troops were operating on the Eastern side of the Yellow Line – an area which remains under Israeli control according to the terms of the ceasefire deal. The IDF responded with dozens of strikes on Hamas targets throughout Gaza.

Meanwhile, since the ceasefire came into effect last Monday, Hamas has been conducting public executions of Palestinians who oppose their rule. To discuss what’s been unfolding in Gaza over the past week, Dan was joined by Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib and Joseph Braude. Ahmed grew up in Gaza and left in 2005. He is one an outspoken critic of Hamas and runs the organization Realign for Palestine, which promotes de-radicalization of Palestinian society. Joseph is the President of the Center for Peace Communications, which has amplified anti-Hamas voices in Gaza throughout this war.

00:00 Introduction

06:48 What happened during the brief rupture in the Gaza ceasefire?

09:49 Will Hamas return the bodies of all deceased hostages?

10:40 Anti-Hamas factions in Gaza

12:42 The security dilemmas Gazan civilians face

16:47 How ceasefires increase the risk of Hamas violence against dissidents

18:19 Public support for Hamas among Gazans

22:03 Can there be an anti-Hamas uprising in Gaza?

27:07 International responses to Trump's Gaza plan and obstacles of reconstruction

36:25 The Arab world's shifting attitude toward Hamas

41:03 Predictions for the future of Gaza

CREDITS:

ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor

ADAAM JAMES LEVIN-AREDDY - Executive Producer

MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor

MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing

MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director

GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research

YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer