What does it take to step inside a violent extremist movement — and live to tell the story?

Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent who infiltrated white supremacist networks from the inside talks about his book Code Name: Pale Horse. Not from a distance. Not from theory. But by living among them, earning trust, and exposing how radicalization really works.

We talk about what extremism looks like from the inside.

This is a raw, eye-opening conversation about ideology, danger, and the cost of going undercover to protect others.

Let’s get into it.

Do you have a personal safety plan? Listen to retired FBI Special Agent, Rob Chadwick, former head of the FBI's Tactical Training Program, who joined me to talk about his book "The Practical Guide to Personal Security : Become a Competent and Confident Stakeholder in Your Own Safety." We discuss situational awareness, instinct, use of force, the importance of "what if scenarios" and having a plan. Law enforcement will not always be there or respond swiftly, so you might need to save yourself. #personalsafety #fbi #situationalawareness #trustyourgut

Exploring female serial killers, research, and the fearless women who bring crime fiction to life with #1 New York Times bestselling author Lisa Gardner.

Lisa is known for her razor-sharp psychological thrillers rooted in real-world law enforcement and FBI research. A self-described “research junkie,” she’s shadowed cadaver-dog teams, toured the FBI Academy, and studied serial-killer psychology to bring authenticity to every page.

Her acclaimed Frankie Elkin series follows an ordinary woman on an extraordinary mission — finding missing people the world has forgotten — while her beloved characters like Detective D.D. Warren and FBI agent Kimberly Quincy showcase the strength and resilience of women who refuse to break.

Gardner’s work blends procedural precision, forensic realism, and emotional depth — making her one of the most compelling voices in modern crime fiction.

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