Scott Payne

What does it take to step inside a violent extremist movement — and live to tell the story?

Scott Payne, a former FBI undercover agent who infiltrated white supremacist networks from the inside talks about his book Code Name: Pale Horse. Not from a distance. Not from theory. But by living among them, earning trust, and exposing how radicalization really works.

We talk about what extremism looks like from the inside.

This is a raw, eye-opening conversation about ideology, danger, and the cost of going undercover to protect others.

Let’s get into it.