Vatican I

The Council and the Making of the Ultramontane Church

De: John W. O'Malley

Narrado por: Matthew McAuliffe

Duración: 8 h y 20 m

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The enduring influence of the Catholic Church has many sources - its spiritual and intellectual appeal, missionary achievements, wealth, diplomatic effectiveness, and stable hierarchy. But in the first half of the 19th century, the foundations upon which the church had rested for centuries were shaken. In the eyes of many thoughtful people, liberalism in the guise of liberty, equality, and fraternity was the quintessence of the evils that shook those foundations. At the Vatican Council of 1869-1870, the church made a dramatic effort to set things right by defining the doctrine of papal infallibility.

In Vatican I: The Council and the Making of the Ultramontane Church, John W. O'Malley draws us into the bitter controversies over papal infallibility that at one point seemed destined to rend the church in two. Archbishop Henry Manning was the principal driving force for the definition, and Lord Acton was his brilliant counterpart on the other side. But they shrink in significance alongside Pope Pius IX, whose zeal for the definition was so notable that it raised questions about the very legitimacy of the council. Entering the fray were politicians such as Gladstone and Bismarck. The growing tension in the council played out within the larger drama of the seizure of the Papal States by Italian forces and its seemingly inevitable consequence, the conquest of Rome itself.

Largely as a result of the council and its aftermath, the Catholic Church became more pope-centered than ever before. In the terminology of the period, it became ultramontane.

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insightful

well worth the time to gain insight into how vat 1 influenced the church for the last 200 years.

Great info, good reading, awful pronunciation of foreign languages

Seems good research, it presents a good timeline in general easy to follow.
The narrator is great except when pronouncing Italian, French, Latin etc. it makes it difficult to even follow the names of bishops.

But the abook overall is worth it.

Was not expecting it to be so controversial.

Let’s just say Vatican I hasn’t aged well. O’Malley is bold in his descriptions. A warning. If you don’t understand Vatican II with a passing interest you won’t get this. Narration was great.

Excellent

A very thorough, in depth, and informative history of the First Vatican Council. For “The past is never dead. It is not even the past.”

To understand the Catholic Church today requires an understanding of the 19th century and the Church’s response to the enlightenment at Vatican I. To understand Vatican II and I the Post-Vatican II church requires an understanding of Vatican I.

Fascinating work

My knowledge of Vatican 1 was rather lacking prior to listening to this book, so O'Malley's book was fascinating. I may be a hard-core Protestant and I may loathe Ultramontane theology, but this book was incredibly valuable in helping me understand how Rome came to adopt this doctrine. The development of this doctrine is far more complicated than I understood, but O'Malley's book helped give me the historical perspective on how this doctrine came to be dogmatized.

Deep and insightful

Love both the content and the lector.
If you want to understand what led to declaring Pope’s infallibility, this is the book to go for.

As someone with no background, this was helpful

I seriously considered not writing about this book. Vatican I is an area that I have almost no background knowledge, so I cannot comment on the quality of the book. I had a friend recommend to me another book by John O'Malley, and as I was saving the book to my future reading list, I saw that Vatican I was free to listen to in Audible because of their new member benefit.

I know I have extensive holes in my knowledge of history. And in this case, that includes not knowing hardly anything about European history after roughly Elizabeth I and hardly anything about Catholic history between Trent and Vatican II.

Luckily, nearly half of the book was about the history and cultural influences that led to the start of Vatican I. So the book seemed to place the context of the subject well so that even someone like myself can benefit. Vatican I did not end, the Franco-Prussian war moved to Rome, and the council was evacuated. Officially Vatican I did not end until the start of Vatican II. Several of the decisions of the council may not have happened if the schedule had been different. There is quite a bit of criticism of Pope Pius IX, but that criticism also seems tempered from how strong it feels like it could have been.

As a Protestant who wants to have a good relationship with the Catholic church and who is unlikely to become Catholic for several reasons, Vatican I, and that general era it is part of, is what concerns me. I am not a fan of Papal Infallibility, although more in theory than practice. From what I know, it has not been 'abused' much, and I generally, I object to how it could be misused more than anything else. And I am not a fan of the concept of the Immaculate Conception, although I know that wasn't part of Vatican I, but an earlier statement by Pope Pius IX, because it seems unnecessary or not a complete solution.

(At some point, it is God's work that brings about sinlessness. So if Mary must be conceived in sinlessness, then why not her parents as well and further and further back. A more straightforward solution it seems to me, as a non-Catholic without a good understanding of the logic of the immaculate conception, is that if sinlessness is essential, that the nature of Christ bringing about forgiveness of sin, brings about Mary's forgiveness of sin. In other words, Jesus had the power to forgive sin before his death and resurrection, so why could not the simple forgiveness of sin happened without a miraculous conception.)

Because the council ended early, the more extensive work on the nature of the church, of which the concept of Papal Infallibility was just a small part, was never approved. There were several other ramifications of Vatican I. Still, O'Malley emphasizes that you cannot really understand Vatican I without understanding Vatican II, and I need to do some more work to understand Vatican II. Overall I thought this was helpful, and most of the time, it was clear enough that there were not too many concepts that I was unclear on, but for me, this was almost totally new material.

The content is outstanding

The content of the book is outstanding. I learned a good deal. This book sheds light on certain perennial problems in the Catholic Church today. NB: The reader's consistent inability to pronounce properly terms and titles in languages other than English was highly distracting.

A gripping historical narrative

Fr. O'Malley combines first-rate historical research with a natural nose for human drama. The result is an even-handed, though unblinking, account of a Council that very much affects us today. I couldn't help but note certain analogies between late 18th Century and early 21st Century.

Very Detailed

If you are looking for an easy listen, this is not the book for you. However, if you would like to know the deep details of Vatican 1, then you will enjoy this selection.