Who Needs College Anymore? with Kathleen deLaski

Join Atlas CEO Jennifer Grossman for the 267th episode of Objectively Speaking, where she interviews founder and board chair of Education Design Lab, Kathleen deLaski, about her new book “Who Needs College Anymore? Imagining a Future Where Degrees Won’t Matter,” which draws on a decade of design-thinking research and interviews to reimagine what higher education might offer and whom it should serve.

DeLaski is the founder and board chair of the Education Design Lab, which works with colleges, states, and employers to design shorter, more targeted forms of higher education. Over the course of her career, she has worked as an executive at Fortune 500 company Sallie Mae, worked as a correspondent for ABC News, covering the White House and foreign affairs, served in the Clinton administration, the first woman to serve as chief Pentagon spokesperson, and named the Washingtonian Magazine's list of top policy influencers each year since 2022.