Mike Pesca — host of the How To! and The Gist podcasts — joins us again! We revisit the topic of nihilism, dive into annihilism (and why it’s different), and dunk on quite a few celebrities along the way. Stay to the end, and we recommend the sweet sweet artworks that may just be the antidotes to our burn-it-to-the-ground times.

On the agenda:

-On ghosts, demons, and podcasts [0:00-7:50]

-Adaam’s theory of Annihilism [7:51-14:24]

-Annihilistic artists and the end of truth [14:25-30:36]

-Joy and pitchforks! [30:37-47:32]

-Artistic antidotes to Annihilism [47:33 - 1:04:00]

Mentioned in this episode:

-How to Ghostbust the Old-Fashioned Way (How To!)

-Vibes of Nihilism (Uncertain Things)

-“The Jacobin Seduction” (Uncertain Newsletter)

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Eli Lake — staff writer at The Free Press, contributing editor at Commentary Magazine, and host of the Breaking History podcast — returns to the podcast to discuss the state of neoconservatism; the war with Iran (and why all the pundits are wrong about); and the enduring mystery (but not-so-enduring importance) of Tucker Carlson.

On the agenda:

- Neocons, Redux

-The war in Iran

-The “geopolitics” of Europe

-The conversation about the conversation

-Tucker Carlson, the modern day Father Coughlin?

Mentioned in this episode:

* How Israel is helping Iran’s opposition (The Free Press)

* Eli Lake and Andrew Sullivan debate the Iran War (Breaking History)

More Eli on Uncertain Things

* The Decapitation of Hezbollah

* How the World Learned to Love the Butchery of Jews

* The Art of Being Offended

Jesse Brown — journalist and founder of the Canadaland podcast company — joins us IRL in New York City to talk about his latest project: What is happening here? The audio doc, hosted by Jesse, dives into the ways Anti-Zionism and antisemitism have taken root in Canada since October 7th.

On the agenda

* What is happening here? and the red triangle [0:00-22:38]

* Why the Canada example matters [22:39-35:35]

* Revisiting Anti-Racism and protecting liberalism [35:36-1:04:27]

* Jon enters the chat [1:04:28-1:26:59]

Mentioned in this episode:

* What is happening here? (Canadaland)

* Anti-Zionism, Explained (w/ Adam Louis Klein)

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