In this episode, I begin by asking photographers to consider not what a photograph shows, but how it is encountered. I frame the conversation around two different modes of looking one being relational and the other transitional.

Transitional viewing describes photographs that move a viewer forward. The image is read quickly, its meaning largely resolved, and attention shifts to what comes next. I think you often find this in the pace of social media scrolling, editorial sequencing, or maybe a portfolio review. The goal of those works is momentum and clarity. Those concepts are prioritized. In these contexts, the photograph functions as part of a flow rather than a place to stay.

Relational viewing asks something different of the viewer. I talk about photographs that unfold over time and resist immediate understanding. Meaning develops as we come back again and again returning to familiarity and learning via duration. The images becomes something a viewer forms a relationship with rather than something they pass through.

As I explain in this episode, this distinction matters because viewing is not neutral. As photographers, we are always shaping the conditions under which our work is seen. So in the end, episode 566 ask you to consider whether your photographs are designed for movement, for staying, or for something in between.

I am so excited for this episode of In Conversation, where the amazing Rachel Demy joins me to discuss the periphery in photography. I have known Rachel for years, and we had such a great conversation. I was thinking about our conversation over the past few weeks and how to introduce you to Rachel’s work. I think that one of the hallmarks of her latest work is that it isn’t loud. It unfolds quietly, asking you to slow down and look again. Her photographs sit somewhere between studied observation and intuition, where mood, atmosphere, gesture, and restraint become actors in the image.

I love how her work shifts as you spend time with it. The tension of attentiveness moves to a sense of patience.

In this conversation, we start with the topic of the periphery in photography and go down a rabbit hole. Both of us agree that peripheral is not just a biology, but a way of being present while making photographs. We talk about how photography isn’t only about what we choose to place inside the frame, but also about what exists just beyond it. That awareness, at the time of photographing or in processing, of the unseen can shape the image, adding emotional and psychological depth.

For Rachel, watching Richard Mosse’s film Broken Specter challenged her perception and became a catalyst for thinking differently about how we see, how we feel space, and how expanded awareness can influence photographic work.

Of course, with any conversation, we dug into how we are trained to think, what inspires us, what worries us about our practice, and how we sometimes have to let go and surrender to the process and path we are on. Trust the seeing. Trusting our intuition,

I really enjoyed the insights I got from listening to her talk about how intuition becomes especially pronounced in her night photography. Working in darkness heightens awareness and taps into what she described as an “animal vision. In those moments, we become less analytical and more responsive, guided by feeling, rhythm, and an embodied sense of presence.

We also touched on creative dormancy, with both of us hitting long periods of slow work development. It was a reminder that pauses, rest, and reflection are not failures of creativity, but essential parts of its rhythm.

Rachel’s perspective on photography and creativity is thoughtful, generous, and deeply felt, and our conversation was filled with genuine insights and discoveries. I am so looking forward to the next one.

You can connect with Rachel on social media at @racheldemy, on her website www.racheldemy.com, or explore her book Between Everywhere: On the Road with Death Cab for Cutie.

As we start a new year, I want to talk about a feeling that almost never gets discussed openly, even though nearly all of us experience it. That moment when you look at your recent work and think, “This is fine… but it feels boring.” Not bad. Not broken. unsurprising. feel it myself. And over time, I have come to believe that this feeling is not a warning sign. It is often a signal that something important is happening.

The strange thing about making work is that we experience it twice. First while we are making it, and then later when we look at the result. By the time the photograph exists, we have already lived inside it. We remember the walk, the light, the missed frames, the choices, the doubt. All of that context stays attached to the image for us.b But when someone else sees the photograph, they see none of that. They see the distilled result. One moment, one frame, one decision made visible. What feels familiar and predictable to us can feel clear and intentional to someone else.

That familiarity or clarity can seem like it drains surprise, but that does not mean it drains meaning.I think clarity is one of the most misunderstood qualities in creative work. Clarity often feels boring to the person who made it because all the hard decisions are already resolved. There is no tension left for us. We already know how it works.

Where things often go wrong is how we respond to that boredom. When the work stops exciting us, it is tempting to fix the wrong problem. We add more contrast. We push the color. We introduce drama not because the image needs it, but because we want to feel something again. Restlessness can look a lot like refinement, but they are not the same thing.

Sometimes the best thing you can do when the work feels boring is to step away from it. Give it time. Look at it again later, without the weight of expectation. Ask whether it still holds together, not whether it excites you.

If your recent work feels boring but still feels honest, still feels aligned with how you see, pay attention. That is often where the real work is happening. Not in the images that shout the loudest, but in the ones that sit quietly and wait. As we move into 2026, I want to encourage you and myself to resist the urge to constantly chase novelty. To trust that not being impressed by our own work is not the same thing as failing. Sometimes it means we are finally listening closely enough to hear what we keep returning to.

And that is rarely boring.