In this episode, I sit down with Jefferson Fisher—trial lawyer, bestselling author, and communication expert with over 12 million followers—to map out a clear, balanced path to $10 million a year in revenue.

We dive into Jefferson’s wide range of business assets including his podcast, newsletter, book, speaking, AI product, and fast-growing membership.

Then we break down exactly what to prioritize, how to build the right team, and what he needs to stop doing to scale without burning out.

Whether you’re a fast-growing creator or a business owner looking for leverage and balance, this is a blueprint.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:08 Jefferson’s growth from zero to 6M Instagram followers
03:22 Mapping all his revenue channels
06:08 His speaking fees, membership size, and podcast numbers
09:28 Balancing business growth with family time
13:24 The hidden cost of daily content creation
18:25 How batching could change Jefferson’s life
22:32 The power of speaking as leverage
25:31 Planning for $10M while staying present at home
30:34 The surprising value of Jefferson’s DMs
36:04 Why the membership is the biggest opportunity
42:17 Automating conversions with his newsletter
47:44 Building a team to scale
53:19 The role Jefferson should hire next
57:08 Balancing brand vision with freedom
01:04:11 Why we’re pausing the course idea (for now)
01:11:03 Wrapping with Jefferson’s biggest takeaways

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Follow Jefferson:
Website: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jefferson_fisher
X: https://twitter.com/jefferson_fishr
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jeffersonfisher
The Next Conversation (book): https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/book

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The Next Conversation (book): https://www.thenextconversation.com
Jefferson Fisher: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com
Jefferson’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jefferson_fisher
Civility (his company): https://www.jeffersonfisher.com
Kit: https://www.kit.com

In this episode, I sit down with Tim Grahl to map out how he broke through a 3-year business plateau and scaled his education company from $695K to over $2M.

We unpack how Tim made the leap by completely rebuilding his business model, delivering better outcomes for students, and building a variable-cost team that scales with revenue.

He also shares how he ran 600+ customer interviews, built a coaching program around accountability, and used YouTube and SparkLoop to drive steady growth.

If you’re stuck at a growth ceiling, this episode is a blueprint for getting unstuck.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:13 Breaking through the $1M ceiling
03:12 Revenue history from 2021 to 2024
06:37 The wake-up call promotion
08:00 600 customer interviews in 18 months
12:24 The mindset shift that changed everything
13:03 Why Tim rebuilt the entire business model
17:55 Forecasts vs. goals
20:36 Profit margin and personal runway
23:15 Why most courses don’t deliver transformation
25:18 How Story Grid’s coaching model works
30:08 Team structure and mentor compensation
34:10 Pricing strategy and program design
35:18 Using SparkLoop and YouTube to grow leads
38:02 Tim’s content process and YouTube habits
43:07 The emotional dip before the breakthrough
47:18 Burnout, self-doubt, and freight train focus
51:22 Why building a team unlocked freedom
57:11 Hiring mindset and building lean
01:00:12 The path from 2M to 5M and beyond
01:03:40 The power of product-market fit

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Follow Tim:
Website: https://www.storygrid.com
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@storygrid
X: https://x.com/storygrid
Tim’s latest book: https://www.storygrid.com/product/the-shithead

Featured in this episode:
Story Grid: https://www.storygrid.com
The Shithead (book): https://www.storygrid.com/product/the-shithead
SparkLoop: https://www.sparkloop.app
Kit: https://www.kit.com

In this episode, I sit down with Anne-Laure Le Cunff, neuroscientist, creator, and author of Tiny Experiments, to explore how mindful productivity and scientific thinking can unlock calm, sustainable growth.

We talk about how Anne-Laure built a $250K business while finishing her PhD, her process for designing mental health systems, and why most creators burn out by obsessing over goals.

She shares how tiny experiments, not big plans, led to her success—and why every creator should learn to reflect, quit intentionally, and listen to stress as a signal.

If you want to grow without burning out, this is a masterclass.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:12 Why tiny experiments beat big goals
03:15 Action vs reflection for creator growth
06:05 Quitting YouTube—and why it was the right choice
10:16 Helping your team feel safe to fail
14:07 Designing your own experiment formula
19:13 Breaking the cycle of goal obsession
22:42 The “maximize brain” and how to avoid it
32:22 How Anne-Laure earned $250K working part time
38:00 The business flywheel hidden inside her $49 community
46:57 Building systems for mental health
53:20 Good stress vs bad stress
58:00 Her simple content repurposing system
01:00:49 Final advice for goal-setters

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Follow Anne-Laure:
Website: https://www.nesslabs.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neuranne
X: https://x.com/neuranne
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@neuranne

Featured in this episode:
Tiny Experiments (book): https://nesslabs.com/book
Ness Labs: https://www.nestlabs.com
Kit: https://www.kit.com