In the second episode of the podcast, Drs. Shea Howell, Stephen Ward, and Michael Doan talk to me about the ideas and activism of James (a.k.a. "Jimmy") and Grace Lee Boggs, a couple whose activism spanned almost every progressive movement of the twentieth century and into the twenty-first. We discuss their conviction that history as the story of the future as well as the past, how they used the past to inform their activism today, and where they thought they could see future of America being created.

To learn more about the Boggs and their work, and to see how it is being carried forward, visit the James and Grace Lee Boggs Center's website.

Books and Media Mentioned in This Episode:

James and Grace Lee Boggs, Revolution and Evolution in the Twentieth Century (Monthly Review Press, 1974).

Grace Lee Boggs, The Next American Revolution (University of California Press, 2012).

James Boggs, Pages from a Black Radical's Notebook: A James Boggs Reader: A James Boggs Reader, edited by Stephen M. Ward (Wayne State Press, 2011).

E.F. Schumacher, Small Is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered (Harper Perennial, 2010).

Coming Soon! Michael Doan, Rehearsing the Future: The Thought and Practice of James and Grace Lee Boggs (AK Press, 2026).

Grace Lee, American Revolutionary: The Evolution of Grace Lee Boggs (Cherry Sky Pictures, 2013).

In the first episode of the podcast, I talk with Dr. Ed Pavlić about James Baldwin's evolving understanding of history and what we can learn from it. Baldwin was one of the major influences on the philosophy behind this podcast, and his changing ideas—from history as nightmare to history as lover—reveal a profound insight into the role of history as part of what it means to be human.

We can change the world. History can help.