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Most people brag about leadership when things are working. When the check clears, the metrics are green, and applause is still flowing. But what happens when the spotlight shuts off… or your body betrays you… or life delivers a sentence most people don’t come back from?

In this episode, Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni and AJ Rinaldi sit down with the legendary Paul Anthony — a global music icon turned three-time cancer champion — to explore what leadership looks like when everything that used to define you is gone… except your identity, your energy, and your behavior.

Paul’s reaction to a diagnosis labeled “fatal” wasn’t fear. It was clarity:

This is an episode about identity under pressure, behavior under fire, and the type of leadership that can’t be faked because it’s lived.

🌟 Who Is Paul Anthony?

Paul Anthony is a Grammy Award–certified producer, singer, songwriter, and cultural force from the legendary group FULL FORCE, with multiple Diamond, Platinum, and Gold records. He’s collaborated with icons like James Brown, Rihanna, Justin Timberlake, The Black Eyed Peas, Patti Labelle, Nicky Minaj, Britney Spears, Eminem, and more — and starred in the groundbreaking films House Party 1 & 2.

He helped introduce fitness and bodybuilding into hip-hop and pop culture long before it was mainstream.

And then life tested him again — not onstage, but in the hospital. He is now a three-time cancer champion, a two-time bone marrow transplant survivor, and a National Advisory Board member for Moffitt Cancer Center.

Paul isn’t just a creator of hits. He is a creator of hope, purpose, and behavioral leadership under the harshest conditions possible.

🕒 Timestamps & Key Moments

TimeTopic00:00 | Welcome to The Heart & Science of Leadership
02:10 | Paul Anthony’s early years, music career, and purpose
05:42 | The biopsy and the words “incurable and fatal”
06:18 | “I’m not changing sh*t” — decision over reaction
08:41 | Leadership as energy, not ego
11:52 | “This AND that” — ending scarcity thinking
13:10 | Thousands helped by his mindset and message
16:27 | What legacy looks like when it’s behavioral
19:05 | “I don’t need applause. I need impact.”
22:40 | The shift from entertainer to transformational leader
27:14 | Paul’s call to leaders: stop performing, start reinforcing lives

🧠 Leadership Takeaways

• Behavior is identity. When pressure rises, reinforcement history is exposed.
• Leaders who stay anchored to values under stress create psychological safety for others.
• “This AND that” is a behavioral pivot — widening contingencies instead of shrinking choice.
• Legacy is measurable: it’s the behavior others repeat

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In this episode of The Heart & Science of Leadership Podcast, Dr. Paulie and Aj tackle one of the toughest challenges leaders face: change. They explore how change can feel like both an exciting opportunity and a sucker punch in the gut. Drawing on behavior science and real-world leadership experience, Paulie and Aj break down how leaders can navigate change effectively, turning disruption into growth. Whether you’re leading a team, department, or entire organization, this episode offers practical strategies and candid insights to help you manage change with confidence and clarity. Tune in for a fresh perspective on leading through the ups and downs of transformation.

Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science

The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.

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Imagine leadership without feedback. It's like trying to navigate a ship without instruments or stars – virtually impossible. In this episode of The Heart & Science of Leadership Podcast, Dr. Paulie Gavoni and A.J. Rinaldi dive deep into one of the most misunderstood tools in a leader’s toolbox—feedback.

📢 Feedback isn't just a way to correct mistakes—it's a powerful lever for shaping culture, improving performance, and building trust. But too often, it's delivered haphazardly, inconsistently, or with the wrong intent.

Based on content from Dr. Paulie's best-selling book, The Feedback Effect, they explore:

• Why most leaders get feedback wrong
• The behavior science behind effective feedback loops
• Common myths that sabotage team performance
• Practical, actionable strategies to give (and get) feedback that actually works

Whether you're leading a team, managing a classroom, or coaching others to succeed, this episode breaks down how to use feedback not as a tool for control—but as a catalyst for growth.

🧠 It’s not just about saying something—it’s about shaping something.

Remember, leadership isn't about intent, it's about impact.

Pick up a copy of the #1 bestseller: Adaptive Intelligence: The Evolution of Emotional Intelligence Through the Proven Power of Behavior Science

The Behavioral Toolbox equips those charged with supporting behavior change in schools with practical applications of the science of human behavior for making a positive difference in the workplace. In this case, the classroom and school!

Be sure to subscribe to Dr. Paulie's Heart & Science YouTube channel for a variety of content related to behavior science and bringing out the best in yourself and others.