Episodios

  • Breaking the middle class bubble

    Breaking the middle class bubble
    Jul 11 2025
    Today is a full moon and also the third year anniversary of my father’s death. It feels apt and honouring to share this conversation with you today.Like my father, David is a big hearted Pākehā man who believes in breaking through social barriers and is courageous in pursuing his vision.David’s background is in youth work. He started his career working for the Methodist Church as their National Youth Director. He spent many years working in Central Government where he led the National Youth Development Strategy Aotearoa under Helen Clark’s Labour government. He then ran his own consultancy before starting his current role at Wesley Community Action.In the last few years his attention has turned from trying to shift the whole system to creating small islands of change - warm spaces where communities feel safe enough to come together and address the issues that affect them most, such as meth addiction, poverty and food security. He understands that people are the experts of their own lives and have the resources to create change if given the chance.The stories that David tells of his work with the Mongrel Mob and local communities around the Wellington region are delightful and inspiring. Like my Dad, David looks for the good in people and doesn’t see social boundaries as barriers. Unlike my Dad, David has embarked on a personal journey to uncover and heal the trauma he’s inherited through his own family history.What strikes me about this conversation is the way David connects the personal and political. He makes the point that Pākehā culture has been founded on a suppression of trauma - a denial which has fuelled colonisation. He dignifies healing as important work and points to how Pākehā need to acknowledge and address our own trauma, to show up as equal treaty partners.We talk about how many of our Pākehā ancestors came to Aotearoa to escape trouble in the British Isles.“If you were doing well in those societies, you didn't really wanna hop on a boat and travel to the other side of the world,” he says. “It was people who were trying to flee something; desperate for a new chance and a new break.”And yet the science of trauma is teaching us that traumatic experiences that go unaddressed and unspoken, live on in our bodies and are passed down from generation to generation. While we deny our own trauma, it shapes the way we see each other and make decisions. David talks about how this suppressed trauma is baked into our political system; it’s in the language of our political processes and policies. ”The biggest barrier to change,” he says, “is the people who've got power and money thinking they don't need to change. And the problems that group over there.”David shares stories of heart-breaking betrayal, suicide and war from his own family history. He reflects on his childhood in the archetypal middle class suburb of Tawa and the culture he grew up with which encouraged academic success and conformity while suppressing anything unpleasant. He was born in 1962, not long after two world wars, a pandemic and a great depression.“Come the 1960s,” David says, “there was this desire to just progress, get ahead and dream, so all of that trouble and trauma was just pushed down. We developed ways to protect ourselves from feeling that. That became our culture.”It feels comforting to reflect on my Dad’s life and our family history in the light of this conversation. My Dad was a deeply sensitive man who never learnt to acknowledge or express his feelings of grief. His mother was an alcoholic and his father suffered from depression. As the oldest, Dad grew up doing his best to hold his family together. Though he was an incredibly cheerful man, he suffered from manic episodes and late in life was diagnosed with manic depression. I can’t help but see these episodes as eruptions of suppressed grief. It comforts me to see a pathway to healing these old wounds by tending to myself and my relationships now.Over the last few years as I’ve been learning about our environmental crises and the economic causes, I’ve found it easy to lose hope. The problems are so massive and large-scale. But I find something incredibly hopeful in David’s work and perspective. It reveals that we are all part of this system we live in and that while we separate ourselves and deny our trauma we remain stuck. But there is much hope in coming together and allowing space to heal and grow.LinksWesley Community Action: https://www.wesleyca.org.nz/Just Change: https://www.wesleyca.org.nz/just-changeTe Hiko: https://www.tehiko.org.nz/ Get full access to The Good Energy Project at thegoodenergyproject.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Speaking to the spiritual heart of our economic and environmental crises

    Speaking to the spiritual heart of our economic and environmental crises
    Jun 10 2025

    I’ve been exploring the economic forces that shape our world for a few years now and the more I learn, the clearer it becomes that underneath the many layers of economic and environmental crises is a kind of crisis of spirituality and of how we conceive of ourselves as human.

    I feel deeply honoured and excited to share this conversation with Pip Ranby, who is, among many other things, one of my favourite people in the world.

    Pip is both a spiritual teacher and a friend. I first came across her as my partner Rachel’s teacher in creative arts therapy. I got to know her when we asked her to be our marriage celebrant. She was an incredible comfort and guide as we navigated the difficult territory of working out what marriage meant to us as a queer couple and organising our love festival, which was amazing but stressful. Since then I’ve been seeing her regularly for what we call “spiritual accompaniment” sessions. She helps me make sense of life when I lose my way and has been an enormous support through the grief of losing my Dad and accompanying my Mum through her journey with dementia. I’ve attended many of Pip’s workshops, retreats and gatherings, and find them an enormous source of nourishment and peace in my life.

    I first had the idea to invite Pip for this conversation in 2023 at a workshop she facilitated on trauma and spirituality, which I attended straight after the annual conference of Wellbeing Economy Alliance Aotearoa. I was struck by how the wisdom and presence Pip was sharing spoke to the heart of the economic problems we’d been circling at the conference.

    I was struck by the way Pip dignified the struggle of trying to live within our economic system. She spoke about “industrial scale forces” that we experience intimately through our bodies. These forces are delivered through pervasive messaging which reduces women’s physicality to appearance, justifies sexual violence and silences voices of emotion and spirit.

    In this conversation Pip tells her personal story of trauma, loss and healing with incredible vividness and generosity. She shares her experiences of disordered eating, sexual violence and being helped out of the CTV building when it collapsed in the Christchurch earthquake. She speaks to the way these experiences of wounding and trauma opened her to the healing power of spirit and greater perception. Her story tenderly points to a pathway of healing that I believe lies at the heart of our economic regeneration. It reveals a more noble and generous idea of what it could mean to be human and the possibility of rebuilding practices, culture and economies from this more generous interconnected point of view.

    I hope you enjoy it.

    Links

    To find out more about Pip’s offerings visit her website: https://www.philipparanby.co.nz/

    She also mentioned the following people who have been inspirations and guides:

    * Cynthia Bourgeault: https://www.cynthiabourgeault.org/

    * Gabrielle Roth’s 5Rhythms dance: https://www.5rhythms.com/gabrielle-roths-5rhythms/

    Music

    The music I’ve used in the interview is a glimpse of a song written by my wife Rachel (with a little contribution from me) and performed by the two of us. We haven’t shared the verses here, just the chorus. It’s called “Rising and Falling”. It feels special to share it in the context of this conversation with someone we both love and admire.



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  • An audio zine of blessings from Gathering at the Gate

    An audio zine of blessings from Gathering at the Gate
    May 27 2025
    Kia ora friends,I’m delighted to share with you this audio-zine of poems, incantations, prayers and blessings written by participants and conveners of the Gathering at the Gate course. The zine has been lovingly edited and voiced by Sylvie McCreanor.You may remember me interviewing Gathering at the Gate conveners, Elli and Wren, last year. I had just taken part in the course myself and it had a big impact on me. We explored the difficult territory of how our Pākehā ancestors contributed to colonising Aotearoa. We were encouraged to research our family history and to reach back to our ancient earth honouring ancestors in Europe, Britain, Scandinavia and other parts of the world to discover their rituals and practices.Lots of beautiful things came out of these explorations. This zine is a small collection of creative outpourings from the course. The hope is that it can be a resource to help us find own lifeways, words, practices and rituals that connect us with something wider and deeper that we can draw strength from now. You can view the zine or purchase a paper copy on the Gathering at the Gate website. To help you navigate the audio zine, here are some time My introduction 00:00:00Title: 01:43:70Acknowledgements: 01:55:43Introduction by Wren Maben: 05:01:23Part 1: Opening: 08:17:26* Untitled, Anonymous: 08:51:28* Acknowledgement as Tauiwi - Kay Benseman: 10:01:24* An invitation to gather in collective care - Áine Kelly-Costello: 10:58:64* A one-minute blessing - Beau Child: 12:37:24* Elli's mihi - Elli Yates: 13:06:66* Acknowledgement of country and opening dedication - Gambhīrachittā/ Lisa Kelly: 13:52:34* Untitled - Bec (Rebecca Pearson): 15:44:40* Blessing to open learning environment from Pukeahuto- Milly Taylor: 16:06:66* Chloe's opening for hui - Chloe Bisley-Wright: 17:25:30* Brosnachadh - Dani Pickering: 18:12:40* To open a space - Zoe Higgins: 19:05:53* To open a space - Key Benseman: 20:28:16* A blessing for a fine arts class I teach at Massey - Holly Walker: 21:37:26Part Two - Incantations: 23:09:53* An incantatory opening for mahi by Pākehā committed to decolonisation - Rachel Jane Liebert: 23:42:61* blessed: to consecrate in blood, hallow with blood, mark with blood - Helena Leon Mayer: 24:44:32* A contemplation on non-violence - Kay Benseman: 26:05:38* May we be like trees - Loo Connor: 28:29:67* Prayer for Tangata Tiriti - Elli Yates: 29:26:43* A Tangata Tiriti remembrance spell for the earth, the past, and Te Tiriti o Waitangi - Sylvie McCreanor: 30:31:27* May we all find more Patience - Mim Sherratt: 34:22:05* An incantation for ancestral reconnection and belonging - Claire Gibb: 35:23:16* Unsettling ourselves - Sylvan Spring: 36:29:59* Saining - Sylvan Spring: 37:48:67* Prayer for the hearth - Author unknown: 44:20:44* August-baum - Helena Leon Mayer: 45:17:10* Lied/song/waiata - Tess Dalgety-Evans: 47:53:54* Patience - Helen Lyttelton: 50:19:71Part Three - Kai: 51:14:42* Lillian's blessing for kai - Lillian Murray: 51:41:28* A blessing for food - Zoe Higgins: 52:07:26* A short, rhythmic blessing (in English) - Anonymous: 52:44:23* Six kai blessings - Anonymous: 53:14:11* Wren’s food blessing - Wren Mabin: 56:36:64* A toast to nourishment - Miriam Sherratt: 56:59:32* An invocation for kai, written at/for Samhain - Rachel Jane Liebert: 57:46:10* To share food - Milly Taylor: 58:31:48Part Four - Closing: 59:27:72* To close space - Milly Taylor: 59:52:18* Leasanan na tire (lessons of the land) - Dani Pickering: 60:55:27* To close a space - Zoe Higgins: 61:49:59* Wren's two-minute poem for opening or closing a space - Wren MabinBlessings! If you’d like to find out more about Gathering at the Gate or sign up for one of their courses, check out their website at https://www.gathering-at-the-gate.org/ Get full access to The Good Energy Project at thegoodenergyproject.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Sparking communities from debt to abundance

    Sparking communities from debt to abundance
    May 12 2025
    I’ve been looking forward to this conversation for ages! I first met Makerita Makapelu at the Wellbeing Economy Alliance Aotearoa conference in 2023. It was the end of a full day when I heard her presentation and I remember feeling instantly captivated by the joy and love which streamed from her as she described her work. Makerita is the Team Leader Innovation and Practice at Te Hiko, a community innovation hub in Cannons Creek, Porirua. It’s a vibrant diverse suburb, with a large Pacific Island community that suffers more than its fair share of injustices from an oppressive economic system. Te Hiko’s work is all about supporting people in the local community to realise their own capability. They do it by creating safe spaces where people can come together, relax and apply themselves to the challenge. Te Hiko’s vision is a local economy that allows people in Porirua to create from their own skills and local resources the abundance needed to live well. Over the last 18 years they’ve made significant progress towards this goal. They provide backbone support to a whole range of community initiatives. They facilitate a financial wellbeing programme and a savings pool helping people break the cycle of debt; they co-ordinate the Wellington Fruit and Vege Co-op which provides fresh produce at affordable prices, they facilitate a men’s group dedicated to reforesting the hills and a programme supporting people affected by or suffering from Methamphetamines. Talking to Makerita, I get the sense that anything is possible when people come together with love and respect around a purpose.In our conversation, we talk about her childhood and early career - her memories of Samoa before her family moved to Aotearoa, the challenges of growing up in Porirua and her discovery of theatre and dance, which started her on a healing journey. She speaks about the Samoan concepts of tautua (service) and Le Va (the sacred space between) and her vision for Aotearoa that we embrace our own indigenous wisdom. Makerita talks about the gap between the experience of real people on the ground and the policies intended to serve them and the work Te Hiko is doing to bridge that gap. She tells me about the Just Change Programme, which invites people who have a little extra money to spare to connect and grow meaningful relationships with people leading projects in the community. It’s not just about sharing money - it’s about understanding each other’s reality and building relationships of care. Te Hiko means “spark” in Te Reo and I got the sense of all these sparks being fanned to life by the loving support of Makerita and her team. Links Te Hiko websiteJust Change - connecting donors with community projectsHauora Kai: Wellington Region Fruit and Vege CoopGood Cents: Financial Wellbeing ProgrammeBig thanks to Casual Healing and Chur the Choir for the music!Makerita is a big fan of Bob Marley, so I’m delighted to be able to play this beautiful cover of One Love by local Paekākāriki musician Nikau Te Huki and Chur the Choir for letting me use this song. You can listen to the whole album here. Get full access to The Good Energy Project at thegoodenergyproject.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Loo's journey to find home

    Loo's journey to find home
    Apr 13 2025

    Kia ora!

    It’s been a while since I’ve shared a podcast - partly because this one has taken ages to make! I’ve been reflecting on my interviews and learnings over the last year as I’ve been exploring the economics of homes and kāinga. I’ve pulled together snippets of interviews, passages from books and my own reflections of the subtle and profound ways this journey has shaped my life.

    I’m hoping that through this show I can share with you the blessings I’ve received from the beautiful people and ideas I’ve met. I’d love to give permission and hospitality to all the complex feelings we have while searching for home and belonging. I’d particularly like to open up a dialogue for Pākehā, searching for ways to belong in this whenua and to offer some of the pathways I’ve discovered in this exploration.

    My hope is to create more connections and contribute to a sense of possibility and togetherness as we all navigate these fractured times where it’s so easy to shut down and let our differences separate us.

    Lots of love,

    Loo



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  • A pan-political movement to transform our economy

    A pan-political movement to transform our economy
    Feb 12 2025
    “The economy is too important to leave to the economists!” That’s what Gareth Hughes says. After working for a decade as an MP in parliament he got thoroughly tired of the seesaw of short term policies and the arguments over the type of ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. He’s now grateful to be working on the cause of the problems rather than the symptoms. He leads the small team at WEAll (Wellbeing Economies Alliance Aotearoa). Their mission is to build a non-partisan, Te Tiriti led, people-powered movement to transform the economy around the wellbeing of our people and te taiao.“We often think about the economy like it’s a force of nature, like the weather,” Gareth says. “But actually it’s a human-designed machine and it can be re-designed to get the outputs we want to see.”Economics is a hard thing to talk about - it’s complicated, boring and mostly we forget it exists, like the air we breathe. But Gareth is seeing a groundswell of people across the political spectrum who are realising that something is broken and needs to change. “Cracks are showing everywhere,” he says. “People are realising it’s not working and are open to talking about system change. I’ve talked to conservatives who are voting National who are really concerned about social cohesion… They just know that you can’t continue to have a society where people are falling through the cracks.”The time is right for change and Gareth’s mission is to help people see the alternatives and to help uplift and connect the efforts of diverse groups around the country into one big movement for change. His small team are working with businesses, local councils, Iwi groups and community groups to uplift, connect and support their work to shift and change our systems. There is so much going on at the grass-roots level with businesses, iwi corporations, community groups and local government. The international community is excited about Aotearoa. The experience of working with all these people has cured Gareth of his cynicism and he’s feeling positive and hopeful about the future. This is a very positive and hopeful conversation about pathways open to us and the changes already brewing.Some helpful links* WEAll Aotearoa: https://www.weall.org.nz/* WEAll - the global organisation: https://weall.org/And here are some links to the organisations and initiatives Gareth mentions in the interview for your further exploration:* Tokona Te Raki - Ngai Tahu hub for social innovation and Māori futures. * The Workshop - Narrative research and communication advisors - who suggested Gareth do a listening tour instead of a speaking tour.* Sophie Handford, WEAll Aotearoa’s new Future Generations Lead.* Neoliberalism - leave it in the 80s video.* He Ara Waiora - a framework to help Treasury understand Māori perspectives on wellbeing and living standards* Te Takarangi - a Tūhoe Māori reimagining of the doughnut economic model.* Wakatū Incorporation - An Iwi owned entity with a 500 year vision* Amotai - National registry for Māori and Pasifika owned businesses* Article on Taranaki Maunga attaining legal personhood Get full access to The Good Energy Project at thegoodenergyproject.substack.com/subscribe
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  • Decolonisation as a joyful creative act

    Decolonisation as a joyful creative act
    Jan 13 2025

    This conversation was just what I needed to lift my spirits after a year of overwhelmingly depressing news. Talking to Rebecca felt like meeting a slightly older and more illustrious version of myself. It gave me hope that it’s possible to live in a more intuitive and connected way without disengaging from the institutions and systems of society.

    Like me, Rebecca found it hard to choose between subjects at school and university because it was the connections between them that intrigued her most. Her instinct for finding unexpected connections has led her on a fascinating career path, starting with a degree in Chemistry and Maths and moving into architecture where she was captivated by discourses around feminism, art and Te Ao Māori. For several years she has played leadership roles in Massey University’s College of Creative Arts. She recently stepped down as Deputy Pro Vice Chancellor to dedicate more time to The Pākehā Project and other creative acts of decolonisation.

    Rebecca talks about how we’ve based our society and our entire approach to the world on the completely wrong assumption that we are separate and that our problems can be solved by pulling things apart and analysing the pieces. She calls this a “traumatised logic” - a way of thinking that has broken the world up into pieces and left us disconnected and at odds with each other.

    The Pākehā Project, is about becoming aware of these underlying assumptions and opening to other ways of seeing the world. It’s about learning how to listen and step back as well as using our privileges and positions of power to shift the systems we operate within.

    I love the way she describes this work as a joyful creative act. It reconnects us to our own vitality and opens us up to other beings and the living world.

    Links and references

    In the interview Rebecca names some of her heroes and influences. Here are some links to follow up:

    * Sarah Treadwell - artist, architect and academic

    * Báyò Akómoláfé - author, speaker, teacher

    * Nora Bateson - filmmaker, writer, educator and creator of Warm Data

    * Veronica Tawhai - scholar and educator operating from an ethic of love

    * Louise Marra - Rebecca’s tuakana and co-founder of The Pākehā Project

    The guitar music you’ll hear at the end of the conversation is by Rebecca’s brother Ben. It was the accompaniment to a song they sang together at their father’s funeral.



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  • Bridging a cultural divide we pretend isn't there

    Bridging a cultural divide we pretend isn't there
    Dec 14 2024
    I’m excited to share this conversation with Paul Tapsell (Te Arawa, Tainui) whose book Kāinga: People, Land, Belonging inspired my focus on homes and kāinga this year. It was very special to be invited to Paul’s ancestral home in Tapsell Road, Rotorua, where we met in the beautiful architecturally designed space shown in the photo above. Paul and his whānau envisioned and built this new home to replace the crumbling old house, built by their father. Back before the days of potatoes and colonisation, this site was a kumara garden and a foundation for the local economy. Now it sits amongst suburban houses, holding precious threads of culture and acting as a hub for the community as well as a home.Historic amnesia and the illusion of our harmonious bicultural societyIn our conversation, Paul painted a picture of a cultural divide ‘as wide as the grand canyon’, which we pretend doesn’t exist. “On one hand colonisation has dispossessed 780 kāinga communities of their economic base and on the other hand an incoming settler community from Great Britain has come to control that economic base but are living in what my academic mentor used to call historic amnesia.”Paul spoke about his great great grandmother who was bayoneted to death by British soldiers who were later given their ancestral land to farm for free. He described a Māori community, still living in poverty on the land they were forcibly removed to in 1869, while Pākeha farmers make millions on the land they were dispossessed from.Somehow, we have manifested a story of a harmonious bicultural society - the nation we call New Zealand. But this illusion is preventing us from facing the scale of trauma and disconnection and finding ways to heal.Paul’s hope, in writing the book, was to bring to light the forgotten stories and help bridge the cultural divide.Chasing pinpricks of light in the darkI was struck by Paul’s approach to facing these hard truths. “I problematise everything, almost to the point of depression, until I’m surrounded by this darkness. Then I step back and see where the little pricks of light are coming through - just these little pinpricks. Like going down a tunnel, I chase that light and see where it takes me.”Paul has found pinpricks of light in the fact that young Māori, whose whānau have lived in cities for generations, are wanting to reconnect with their ancestral kāinga. When that relationship between tangata and whenua is restored, there is hope for healing and true leadership. Young Māori give Paul hope.He also has hope in Pākeha and tauiwi. He shared a story of two Pākeha farmers who fell in love with the whenua and have dedicated their lives to restoring the health of the waterways. They are now working with Paul to connect with an impoverished Māori community living downstream, in the hope of sharing the ecological wealth they’ve helped to restore.“I think most reasonable non-Māori citizens of this country, if they understand the history, are more likely to respond proactively and create that bridge across the canyon and meet halfway.”We’re all complex. Let’s stop judging and listen to each other.Paul and I shared stories of ancestors who crossed the cultural divide and how their decisions have shaped our lives now.My great grandmother was Māori, born in Te Kaha in Te Moana-a-Toitehuatahi (Bay of Plenty). She moved to Auckland, married a Lebanese businessman, had a family then died. From that point our family has been disconnected from our Māori whakapapa. I have inherited material wealth through the family business but none of the wisdom of my Māori ancestors.Paul’s grandmother came from Ireland where generations of her family had been dispossessed of their land by the English. Her brothers and sisters settled in Auckland where their families now own large chunks of the waterfront! Paul’s grandmother married a Māori man, found belonging with her new whānau and embraced their culture as her own. Apparently she was known as “the black sheep” of the family. From his Māori elders Paul inherited precious ancient taonga which he is striving to preserve.It struck me that the hau kāinga who stayed with their whenua and preserved the taonga have carried a huge burden for us all. They have taken a massive hit to protect these lifelines, which are now hanging by a thread.I found our conversation incredibly helpful for making sense of my own complex feelings and my role now. It’s not about pointing fingers or laying blame, it’s about being prepared to learn and listen, to feel the darkness and follow the pinpricks of light.Find out more about Paul’s projects and research https://www.takarangi.co.nz/https://www.maorimaps.com/Music creditWaiata koauau ki Te Papa-i-ōuru Get full access to The Good Energy Project at thegoodenergyproject.substack.com/subscribe
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