In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern continues the limited series Conversations at the Edge—exploring what it takes to stay grounded, curious, and connected when conversations move into charged, uncertain, or deeply divided territory. Rooted in dignity and respect, the series invites us to make space for someone else's ideas without erasing, attacking, or diminishing the person across from us.

Robin is joined by two long-time Detroit journalists and thought leaders, Nolan Finley and Stephen Henderson, who spent decades on opposite sides of the editorial page—Nolan as a conservative voice at The Detroit News and Stephen as a progressive voice at The Detroit Free Press. Instead of letting ideology define their relationship, they built a genuine friendship and professional partnership, ultimately co-creating the Great Lakes Civility Project and co-authoring The Civility Book: A Guide to Building Bridges Across the Political Divide.

Together, they unpack why "agreeing to disagree" can become avoidance, and what it looks like to find value in disagreement without making it personal. They share the four pillars that have helped them sustain trust through heated debates—dropping assumptions, setting honest goals for conversation, practicing deep listening, and committing to the relationship over time. Robin connects their framework to emotional intelligence, including how strong emotions and today's fear-driven media environment can make civility feel harder—and why emotion regulation and curiosity can be the difference between disconnection and meaningful dialogue.

This is a practical, hopeful conversation for anyone navigating family dinners, friendships, workplaces, or communities in a polarized world—and looking for a way to stay in connection without sacrificing integrity.

To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com.

Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone.

Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links:

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/

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Dr. Robin Stern's Books:

The Gaslight Effect

The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide

Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern launches a new limited series, Conversations at the Edge—exploring what it takes to stay grounded, curious, and connected when discussions move into charged, uncertain, or deeply divided territory. The goal isn't to "win" an argument, but to understand how we can remain in relationship without erasing, attacking, or diminishing the other.

For the first episode in the series, Robin is joined by Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano, author of Don't Talk About Politics: Do Something, for a timely conversation about why so many political conversations leave us feeling more divided—and why "better arguments" rarely change minds. Sarah shares what led her to write the book, from growing up in Washington, D.C. and witnessing polarization up close, to her experiences in prisons, academia, and community work that reshaped how she thinks about power, persuasion, and real-world change.

Together, Robin and Sarah unpack the myth of the "marketplace of ideas," why debate often reinforces identity instead of shifting it, and how certainty and authority can create conditions where people second-guess themselves—opening the door to manipulation.

At the heart of the conversation is a practical alternative: if we want change, we need to invest less in argument and more in relationships, organizing, and shared action. Sarah explains what research shows actually moves people—deep connection, civic infrastructure, and "gateway actions" that create agency and momentum—while Robin connects these ideas to emotional intelligence, moral injury, and the possibility of "moral beauty" in taking action together.

This episode is an invitation to step out of endless discourse and into a different kind of power—one rooted in community, dignity, and doing the work.

To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com.

Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone.

Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links:

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/

Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a

Dr. Robin Stern's Books:

The Gaslight Effect

The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide

Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

In this special start-of-year episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern sits down with her producer, Mike Lenz, for a more personal conversation, reflecting on 2025 and looking ahead to 2026.

Robin shares what felt most meaningful across the past year—especially the human connections that have shaped her work at the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence, in her clinical practice, and through the many powerful conversations on the podcast.

Robin and Mike talk about the courage and vulnerability guests brought when sharing their stories, and how those real-life experiences continue to deepen Robin's understanding of what gaslighting is—and what it isn't. Robin reflects on how the term has entered the mainstream, and why it matters to discern gaslighting from conflict, strong influence, or disagreement. She also speaks about a growing focus in her work: how gaslighting can function as a grooming tool in cult dynamics, and why shining light on these patterns helps people reclaim clarity and voice.

Looking ahead, Robin introduces a new series launching in January 2026, Conversations at the Edge—created for these divided times, when staying connected can feel hardest. The series is about practicing respectful dialogue, listening with integrity, and making space for perspectives we may not share.

Robin closes with an invitation for the new year: honor your feelings as information, stay in your integrity, trust your truth, and remain open to the conversations that help you see more clearly—especially the ones at the edges of your comfort zone.

To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com.

Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone.

Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links:

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/

Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a

Dr. Robin Stern's Books:

The Gaslight Effect

The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide

Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.