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Lee Dines spent nine years as a police officer before moving into academia, where he teaches criminology. That investigative training—learning to distinguish evidence from assumption, to verify sources, to follow systematic protocols—turns out to be exactly what UAP research needs--the kind of methodological rigor he'd been trained to apply to criminal cases, and now teaches at universities.

He's now the European Advisor for the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, and previously served as the UK National Director for MUFON. He holds a BA in Community Studies, an MSc in Criminology and Criminal Psychology, and a Postgraduate Certificate in Learning and Teaching in Higher Education. His particular focus is on close encounter cases—the ones involving direct witness testimony—and on the methodological challenges of investigating phenomena that resist conventional analysis.

What interests Lee isn't just individual cases, but patterns: what changes in the phenomena can be identified over time, and what those patterns might indicate. He also brings a transatlantic perspective on how the UK and US differ in their cultural attitudes toward UAP, both among the public and within research communities.

In this conversation, Lee walks us through several standout cases from his work, and explore lesser-known UK cases that US audiences should know about. We also get into his ranking of competing theories—extraterrestrial, interdimensional, cryptoterrestrial, and psychosocial—and he tells us about recent developments in the UAP subject on the European Continent.

Peter Reali is Project Development Director for the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies and a founding member of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics' UAP research group. His published work includes forensic analyses of controversial cases—including the "Rubber Duck" UAP video, where he applied engineering principles to evaluate what the footage actually shows versus what people claimed it showed. His research papers tackle questions like how to build optimal electromagnetic signature detection systems and what we can actually determine about flight characteristics from existing sensor data.

Peter calls himself a "nuts-and-bolts" researcher—not in the sense of dismissing anything that challenges conventional physics, but in insisting on methodological discipline. Start with what the instruments recorded. Work outward from there.

We talk about what that approach means in practice: how he evaluates claims about recovered craft, alleged abductions, and theories ranging from extraterrestrial origin to interdimensional beings to something stranger. We discuss the Rubber Duck analysis and other cases that have withstood his scrutiny, what $10 million in research funding could actually accomplish, and why the hardest part of UAP research might not be the physics—it might be convincing the scientific establishment that the question is worth asking.

Dr. Andrea Lani is an aerospace engineer with a PhD in Engineering Sciences. As an aerospace engineer with PhD in Engineering Sciences, he has worked for NASA, Stanford, NATO Science & Technology Organization, and the Von Karman Institute. He has been a member of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics since 2007, and member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies since 023. He is currently research and team manager at the Catholic University of Leuven's Center for Mathematical Plasma Astrophysics in Belgium. He has authored or co-authored over 100 scientific papers, and he's lead the development of computational models for hypersonic flows, for the re-entry of space craft, for space weather simulations, and for a magnetic shielding for spacecraft. Dr. Lani has been an experiencer of UAP and of non-human intelligences experiencer since 1983. He's discussed these experiences in interviews elsewhere including on News Nation with Ross Coulthart.

We discuss the wide range of experiences that Dr. Lani has had, along with the data, video, and photographic evidence that he has collected on these experiences, which range from UAP to temporal glitches and remarkable meditation experiences. Dr. Lani's experience is a perfect demonstration of the variety of unusual modes of experience that often accompany, or are accompanied by, UAP cases. We think you'll enjoy this interview for its unique combination of hard scientific evidence and highly unusual experience.

As with other interviews in the UAP Witness series, there are two versions of this interview: a condensed one and a full-length, deep-dive version. This is the short version.

Dr. Andrea Lani is an aerospace engineer with a PhD in Engineering Sciences. As an aerospace engineer with PhD in Engineering Sciences, he has worked for NASA, Stanford, NATO Science & Technology Organization, and the Von Karman Institute. He has been a member of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics since 2007, and member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies since 023. He is currently research and team manager at the Catholic University of Leuven's Center for Mathematical Plasma Astrophysics in Belgium. He has authored or co-authored over 100 scientific papers, and he's lead the development of computational models for hypersonic flows, for the re-entry of space craft, for space weather simulations, and for a magnetic shielding for spacecraft. Dr. Lani has been an experiencer of UAP and of non-human intelligences experiencer since 1983. He's discussed these experiences in interviews elsewhere including on News Nation with Ross Coulthart.

We discuss the wide range of experiences that Dr. Lani has had, along with the data, video, and photographic evidence that he has collected on these experiences, which range from UAP to temporal glitches and remarkable meditation experiences. Dr. Lani's experience is a perfect demonstration of the variety of unusual modes of experience that often accompany, or are accompanied by, UAP cases. We think you'll enjoy this interview for its unique combination of hard scientific evidence and highly unusual experience.

As with other interviews in the UAP Witness series, there are two versions of this interview: a condensed one and a full-length, deep-dive version. This is the full version.

NOTE: There are two different versions of each UAP Witness interview: a condensed conversation that just covers basic details of the encounter, and a deep dive conversation that goes into all the details, and where I ask lots of questions. **This is the full-length version.**_

GUEST INFO

Nick Gold is a congressional lobbyist, and media and information technologist based in Baltimore, Maryland. He's the founding director of Declassify UAP, an organization that helps US voters advocate for government transparency around the UAP subject, and that has so far driven over 25,000 calls and letters to Washington DC. Nick's also a contributing member of SCU, and a former member of Harvard's Galileo Project, and principle author on their publications. He’s worked with major broadcasters, studios, government agencies, and biotech startups. You can find out more about Nick's work, or voice your own support for UAP transparency at DeclassifyUAP.org.

TOPICS

In this episode, Nick walks us through the details of his own UAP encounter. He gives us a detailed description of the object he watched glide over the Baltimore skyline through the windows of his home, before moving on to discuss the very strange synchronistic features of the encounter. This is the sort of detail that's often totally ignored in standard UAP data collection, but that might provide a key to understanding the deep nature of these events beyond their technological features. This conversation is a clear example of how, when you look closely at a single UAP encounter, it often expands into a web of profound ideas and questions.

Matthew Szydagis, Ph.D. is a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Albany, where he works on solving basic mysteries of physics related to dark matter. He has a longstanding interest in UAP, and in this two-part episode we discuss two big questions he's working on. In part 1 he lays out his case for why we should expect "catastrophic disclosure" within our lifetimes. In part 2 we discuss the results of his lab's materials analysis of a piece of very strange material that may be part of a crashed UAP.

• Dr. Szydagis' course on The Physics of Exotic Propulsion, at the Society for UAP Studies: https://www.societyforuapstudies.org/thephysicsofexoticpropulsion
• His paper, "How much time do we have before catastrophic disclosure occurs?" ⁠https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.12738⁠⁠
• And, "The New Science of Unidentified Aerospace-Undersea Phenomena (UAP)" ⁠⁠https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.06794⁠⁠

Matthew Szydagis, Ph.D. is a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Albany, where he works on solving basic mysteries of physics related to dark matter. He has a longstanding interest in UAP, and in this two-part episode we discuss two big questions he's working on. In part 1 he lays out his case for why we should expect "catastrophic disclosure" within our lifetimes. In part 2 we discuss the results of his lab's materials analysis of a piece of very strange material that may be part of a crashed UAP.

• Dr. Szydagis' course on The Physics of Exotic Propulsion, at the Society for UAP Studies: https://www.societyforuapstudies.org/thephysicsofexoticpropulsion
• His paper, "How much time do we have before catastrophic disclosure occurs?" https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.12738⁠
• And, "The New Science of Unidentified Aerospace-Undersea Phenomena (UAP)" ⁠https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.06794⁠

GUEST INFO

Nick Gold is a media and information technologist based in Baltimore, Maryland. He’s worked with major broadcasters, studios, government agencies, and biotech startups. He has been a contributing member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies and Harvard University's Galileo Project, and is the founder of Declassify UAP, an organization that helps US voters advocate for government transparency around the UAP subject, and that has so far driven over 25,000 calls and letters to Washington DC. You can find out more about that work, or voice your own support for UAP transparency at DeclassifyUAP.org.

TOPICS

We discuss a very condensed version of Nick's own UAP encounter, and some of the uniquely synchronistic elements that set it apart from most UAP encounters. If you enjoy this discussion, and want to hear the deep-dive conversation, look for the full length version, which will be the very next episode.