What is a woman under Australian law?

In Part 2, Sall Grover breaks down the legal mechanics of Tickle v Giggle, the Federal Court case that could define biological sex in Australia.

The first Federal Court judge ruled that sex, in its "contemporary ordinary meaning," is changeable, based on the fact that legal sex can be altered on birth certificates. If that reasoning holds, there is no definition of "woman" in Australian law that excludes a biological male.

Sall explains how Australia diverged from other jurisdictions. The UK resolved this legally through the For Women Scotland case. The US resolved it politically. Australia now faces a hybrid, with multiple cases moving through the courts alongside a shifting political landscape.

The episode also examines the role of Equality Australia, which intervened in the case arguing that sex is a spectrum. Governor General Sam Mostyn, a patron of the organisation, was cited in their affidavit when seeking to intervene in the appeal.

Sall also outlines the cost of the case: around $560,000 for the initial Federal Court hearing and roughly $1 million for the appeal, with further funding required if it proceeds to the High Court.

Finally, the conversation looks at the broader legal and social consequences of redefining sex, from language in medicine to the treatment of sex in law and public policy.

00:00 Introduction and case recap
07:33 Why Sall is not an activist
10:07 Gender ideology and core freedoms
12:00 Media coverage of the case
16:41 Australia vs UK and US
18:20 For Women Scotland and the appeal
20:35 Political shifts
25:23 Compelled speech
26:46 Language in medicine
30:12 Path to the High Court
42:31 Cost of the case
47:29 Why Sall continues
49:12 Final word

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What is a woman under Australian law?

In 2020, Sall Grover launched Giggle, a women-only app designed to give women a space to find flatmates, build networks, and connect without men. Access was verified using selfie-based AI at sign-up.

When Roxanne Tickle was denied access, a complaint was filed under the Sex Discrimination Act. What began as a startup dispute became the case of Giggle v Tickle, now before the Federal Court, testing whether Australian law still recognises biological sex.

In Part 1, Sall Grover explains how she went from screenwriting in Hollywood to building a tech startup, what happened when thousands of men flooded the app on launch, what the Australian Human Rights Commission demanded she agree to, and why she refused.

This is one of the most significant legal tests of sex, gender identity, and women’s rights currently before an Australian court.

A judgment from the Full Federal Court is now pending.

00:00 — Introduction

04:39 — What is a woman?

05:49 — From Hollywood to building Giggle

09:26 — Launch day: the app is overwhelmed by men

11:02 — Discovering gender ideology for the first time

12:17 — How the AI verification actually worked

14:10 — Why this is harder to defend than flat earth theory

15:51 — The complaint: Tickle v Giggle explained

17:35 — What the Human Rights Commission asked Sall to accept

22:30 — The 2013 amendments that removed 'woman' from the Act

26:06 — What 'gender identity' actually means in Australian law

31:00 — The first hearing and the judge's reasoning

37:00 — The appeal to the full federal court

41:59 — The Sex Discrimination Commissioner's role

47:10 — An accidental culture warrior

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Monica speaks with London-based commentator and GB News host Will Kingston about the rapidly shifting political and geopolitical landscape in Britain and the wider West.

They begin with the aftermath of the recent US-Israeli strikes on Iran and the implications for the United Kingdom, including the reported Iranian drone attack on a British base in Cyprus and questions about whether Britain was prepared for retaliation. The conversation then turns to the state of the Royal Navy and broader defence capabilities, examining how decades of underinvestment have reduced Britain’s military capacity and what that means for its ability to project power internationally.

Monica and Will also discuss the controversy surrounding the Chagos Islands and the strategic Diego Garcia military base, unpacking the legal and geopolitical debate over Britain potentially transferring sovereignty of the islands to Mauritius while leasing back the base used jointly by the UK and the United States.

The discussion then moves to migration policy and the ongoing small-boats crisis in the English Channel, comparing Britain’s approach with Australia’s border policies and exploring how international legal commitments influence national decision-making.

You can follow Will Kingston on social media at @willkingston on X (Twitter), Instagram and Facebook. You can also watch his show The Saturday Five on GB News. His podcast Fire at Will, previously with The Spectator Australia, will soon be produced by GB News.

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