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🧩 Season Theme: Unmade
🛏️ Just like an unmade bed, our lives can feel messy, incomplete, or unraveling. But that doesn’t mean they’re beyond hope. This season, we explore the beauty in brokenness—and how what’s unmade can still be remade with purpose, healing, and grace.

👣 Guest Introduction:
This week, we invite you to STAY—Stop Thinking About Yourself—with a guest whose story redefines transformation: Frank Meeink. ⚠️ Once a high-profile neo-Nazi skinhead leader, Frank's life was filled with violence, hate, and deep-rooted pain. But in prison, the unexpected happened—he began to see the people he was taught to hate, and his walls started to crumble. 💥 Frank’s incredible story of redemption and reckoning is captured in his book, Autobiography of a Recovering Skinhead 📖. Today, he speaks boldly about the dangers of radicalization and the power of second chances. His journey reminds us that no one is too far gone, and no story too broken to be rebuilt. 🧱💔➡️❤️

💡 Episode Highlights:

🧠 How early pain and ideology shaped Frank’s worldview

🪪 The people in prison who changed his mind—and heart

🔁 What it takes to unlearn hate and rewrite your story

🕊️ Why humility and listening are tools for real change

🫶 The challenge to stay present in others' pain, not just your own

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📘 Book: Autobiography of a Recovering Skinhead

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🧩 Season Theme: Unmade
This season, we walk into the unexpected—where life unravels, dreams collapse, and identities shift. But sometimes, being unmade is the first step toward being remade. What do we do when the timeline of our lives breaks beyond repair?

👣 Guest Introduction:
This week, I’m joined by Jill Pavlov, a magnetic voice in the world of messaging and storytelling. She’s the founder of Copy POP!, where she helps women transform the chaos in their heads into powerful words they’re proud to say out loud. Jill is helping in assisting entrepreneurs clarify their brand message. She was an entertainment reporter, learning firsthand how presence, performance, and storytelling can command a room.

In this episode, Jill opens up with raw honesty about her battle with eating disorders and addiction — the parts of her story that were messy, hidden, and tangled. With courage and insight, she shares how being unmade cracked her open, eventually giving her the clarity and confidence she brings to her work today.

💡 Episode Highlights:

What it means to be part of the 9%: the estimated portion of the U.S. population who will face an eating disorder

Why the struggle often remains unseen, especially for women in their 40s and 50s

Jill’s journey through addiction, disordered eating, and the turning point toward healing

How clutter, both internal and external, reflects the chaos of our lives — and how we begin to clear it

The parallels between making a bed and rebuilding a life

Why storytelling isn’t just about words, but about reclaiming your voice

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🎙️ Episode Title:

"🐛 Hungry Caterpillar"

Season of Unmade — In this season, we explore what happens when life takes us apart, only to reveal who we were truly meant to be. Sometimes we have to be unmade to be remade. 🔄🦋

What’s your greatest pet peeve? 😤 Maybe it's slow drivers 🚗💨, loud chewing 😬, or people who always interrupt. But for today’s guest, Jordan Miller, it's something deeper: accepting things as truth without asking the hard questions. ❓🧠

Jordan was raised as a devout member of the LDS (Latter-day Saint) faith 🙏. He believed. He served. He followed. But inside, a hunger began to grow — a hunger for authenticity, for answers, for truth. 🌱

Eventually, he stepped away from everything he knew to become a truth seeker 🧭. Inspired by his childhood fascination with Bill Nye the Science Guy 🔬🧪, Jordan now approaches life like a science experiment — testing, questioning, and evolving.

Just like a caterpillar, always hungry for more 🐛, Jordan’s journey is one of continuous transformation. 👉 Join me as I step into Jordan’s shoes.

💬 What was it like growing up in the LDS community

⚖️ Wrestling with doubt, truth, and letting go

🔭 How science and critical thinking became guiding forces

🧪 Life as a spiritual experiment

🐛 The metaphor of the hungry caterpillar — growing through curiosity and change

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Let’s keep the conversation going — one step at a time 👟💬

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Stepping into Other People’s Shoes helps us see the world 🌎 through their steps and sometimes, discover the hunger within our hearts.🩵