Abby and Patrick welcome psychoanalyst Avgi Saketopoulou for a frank conversation about politics, psychoanalysis, and the politics of psychoanalysts and of psychoanalytic institutions. Recent years have seen multiple psychoanalytic schools, museums, and other entities invite lecturers and panelists to discuss ongoing events in Israel and Palestine, only to then variously cancel, alter, or otherwise walk back those invitations. Avgi, who has both witnessed and been on the receiving end of such “disinvitations,” joins Abby and Patrick to reflect on their significance on multiple levels. In what ways do these events reflect how institutional psychoanalysis has responded to the genocide in Gaza more generally? How do such events play out as communications, both in terms of the language and rationales invoked by people involved, and in terms of what they implicitly convey as unspoken norms? If we see such “disinvitations” as enactments, then what are the underlying fantasies and anxieties they express? What is their immediate social and political context, what are their precedents, and what deeper histories and traumas might underwrite them? Avgi leads Abby and Patrick in a conversation that expands into topics including: the question of what is or isn’t “outside” the consulting room and what does or doesn’t get considered “political”; our fantasies about our capacities for tolerance, both in terms of distress and in terms of dissent; the uses of anger, the pathologization of affect, and the stakes of “making a scene”; tokenism, inclusivity, exclusion, and professional ethics; the weaponization of analytic concepts and intellectualization as a defense; transphobia, anti-Arab prejudice, anti-Semitism, and the impacts of oppression and historical traumas; the many meanings of resistance; the clinical encounter and Laplanche’s idea of “translation”; the creation of new spaces for psychoanalytic education and community; and much, much more.

Selected Texts Cited:

Avgi Saketopoulou, “Just Say Genocide: The Problem of Truth Sadism” in Battleground

Avgi Saketopoulou, “Against Transantagonism: A Metapsychology for the Flourishing of Trans Children (Or, Did you all think pronouns were enough?)”

Avgi Saketopoulou, “Genocide and the Screen of Irreverence,” in Petrucelli, J. and Schoen, S. (eds.), Proceedings of William Allanson White’s Conference on Irreverence

Edward Said (with Christopher Bollas and Jacqueline Rose), Freud and the Non-European

Franz Kafka, “On Parables”

John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

P-HOLE (Psychoanalytic Hub for Online Liberatory Education) https://p-hole.com.

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Abby and Patrick are joined by Séamus Malekafzali, a journalist whose reportage and commentary has proven indispensable to processing the United States’ war with Iran, and whose historical research and critical essays are vital for thinking about the modern Middle East in general. Séamus begins by talking about his work, setting ongoing events in context, and reflects on the differences between public discourse in English versus Arabic-language spaces. Toggling between contemporary headlines and historical texts, Séamus, Abby, and Patrick reflect on how material realities and geopolitical antagonisms have interacted with competing fantasies, traumatic memories, and logics of identification to produce our current juncture. What ensues is an earnest and searching conversation about dynamics of family, ethnicity, religion, race, and nationality; intergenerational experiences of historical traumas; identification with the aggressor; repression, resistance, and enactment as material and libidinal concepts; nationalism, chauvinism, and settler colonialism; Israeli-US relations as a “feedback loop”; the politics of language; the advocacy of diaspora communities; the difficulties of talking about what’s obvious; and much more.

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Abby and Patrick welcome novelist and academic Jordy Rosenberg to discuss his brand-new novel, Night Night Fawn. Alternately hilarious and devasting, Night Night Fawn is written in the voice of Barbara Rosenberg, an embittered New York Jewish woman penning a deathbed memoir that documents her many disappointments and frustrations – with life, love, friendship, money, and, above all her trans son, whom she hallucinates as a large and ominous bird. Night Night Fawn is also incredibly overdetermined with respect to genre, representing an effort on Rosenberg’s part to write from the perspective of a fictionalized version of his own mother. On yet another level, it’s a sustained interrogation of the complex and painful interactions between material conditions and ideological systems, the forces that shape our experiences of family, class, religion, and ethnicity, and the specific histories of twentieth century American Jewishness as it relates to Zionism and the horrors of our twenty-first century present. In this wide-ranging conversation, Abby, Patrick, and Jordy discuss the social reproduction of bigotry; the relationship between ethnonationalism and the heteropatriarchal family form; the ethics and aesthetics of representation; the contemporary landscape of the political novel, and much, much more.

Selected Works Cited:

Jordy Rosenberg, Night Night Fawn: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/689017/night-night-fawn-by-jordy-rosenberg/

Rosenberg, Confessions of the Fox: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/556691/confessions-of-the-fox-by-jordy-rosenberg/

Rosenberg, “Gender Trouble on Mother’s Day”: https://avidly.org/2014/05/09/gender-trouble-on-mothers-day/

Rosenberg, “The Daddy Dialectic”: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-daddy-dialectic/

Sigmund Freud, “Mourning and Melancholia”

Karl Marx, Capital, Vol I

Leon Trotsky, “Literature and Revolution”

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