I don’t have time to exercise.” Sound familiar? In this episode, Katy Bowman talks with clinical psychologist and author Dr. Diana Hill about one of the most common barriers to movement—and why it’s really an issue of energy management and prioritization, not time. Drawing from her books Wise Effort and I Know I Should Exercise, But... Dr. Hill shares how recognizing “choice points” throughout your day can help you move past procrastination and toward the exercise you truly want to do.

Through practical psychology and real-life examples, Katy and Diana explore how to recognize your stalling loops, reduce transition friction, and align your daily movement habits with your values and genius energy. You’ll learn compassionate, doable strategies for getting unstuck—whether it’s setting your sport shoes out the night before, reframing movement as energy renewal, or aligning movement with your relationships. This episode offers fresh insight and motivation for anyone who wants to move more and make exercise feel possible again.

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

07:40 – Wise Effort: Using your energy in alignment with your values

08:10 – Genius Energy: Recognizing your unique strengths
12:44 – Overcoming “I Don’t Have Time to Exercise” with wise effort
15:40 – Stalling Behavior: How to recognize and manage it
20:03 – Productive Procrastination: Turning stalling energy into productive movement
27:12 – Choice Point Tool: Decision moments to redirect energy toward exercise
32:47 – Supporting Your Future Self: Setting up routines and contexts that help you stay active
36:10 – Relationship Map: Aligning movement goals, energy, and relationships
45:38 – Movement, Community, and Celebrations: Engaging others in activity
49:58 – Energy Audit for Decision Making: Four questions to guide your choices
57:02 – Listener Question: Floor sleeping and neck tension

BOOKS & RESEARCH MENTIONED

I Know I Should Exercise But... 44 Reasons We Don’t Move and How to Get Over Them by Diana Hill & Katy Bowman
Wise Effort: How to Focus Your Genius Energy on What Matters Most by Diana Hill

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As we age, maintaining muscle power—not just strength—is key to staying independent, quick, and injury-free. In this episode, Katy and Jeannette explain the difference between strength and power, and why adding speed or intensity to the movements you're already doing—like walking, climbing stairs, or getting up from a chair—can make all the difference. From stair climbing to pickleball to plyometrics, learn practical ways to build power and maintain independence for years to come.

They share practical ways to train power with (or without) an overhaul to your routine, and Katy chats with masters athlete and Peluva co-founder Brad Kearns about maintaining explosive strength after 60. Hear how Brad shifted from endurance to high jump, why minimalist shoes can support aging feet, and how smarter movement helps you age better.

CHAPTERS
00:02:15 - Power - the definitions

00:06:10 - The Dynamic Collective

00:12:05 - Why Power is Important as You Get Older

00:21:15 - Listener Question about Plyometrics brought to you by Smart Playrooms

00:31:30 - Interview with power athlete Brad Kearns of Peluva Footwear

BOOKS & RESEARCH MENTIONED

My Perfect Movement Plan by Katy Bowman
Whole Body Barefoot by Katy Bowman
ACSM’s Health & Fitness Journal Special Edition on Power

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Katy Bowman and Jeannette Loram dig into the science—and the hype—around so-called “exercise pills.” They unpack what these drugs do at the molecular level, what they can—and can’t—mimic about exercise, and who might benefit—from elite athletes to people with disabilities or chronic illness.

The conversation goes beyond physiology into questions of culture, psychology, and even the future of sport—where performance-enhancing technologies are blurring the lines between natural and engineered human potential.

CHAPTERS

0:03:12 The Dynamic Collective

0:04:28 – How Do Exercise Pills Work?

0:06:50 – Exercise Pills, Skeletal Muscle targets and ‘Enhanced’ Sport Performance

0:12:30 – Who Might Benefit from Exercise Pills?
0:14:08 – Why Pills Can’t Replace All The Effects of Exercise
0:24:26 – Can Exercise Pills Close the Health Gap? And Why Are We Failing To Exercise Enough?
0:34:26 – Beyond Blood Panels: What Pills Miss About Movement
0:36:56 – Listener Question brought to you by Venn Design

RESEARCH MENTIONED

Mimicking Exercise: What Matters Most and Where To Next? Hawley et al (2021)
Exercise pills for cardiometabolic health cannot mimic the exercise milieu Plaza-Florido et al (2025)

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