How did a Dutch company most people haven’t heard of come to hold the fate of AI? Marc Hijink, author of Focus — The ASML Way joins Josh and Robb to explore the insatiably precise process of producing the chips that power GPUs, and with them the AI taking shape all around us. Marc is a financial reporter and technology columnist for the Dutch daily newspaper NRC, and Focus is the result of decades of uncompromising, embedded reporting on ASML, which produces 90% of all chips worldwide.



Operating out of a quiet town in the Netherlands, their extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography machines produce a steady stream of chips working with an accuracy of within a few atoms. The trio explores how the EUV process is as much probabilistic as it is deterministic, as well as the impact that different cultures have on ASML’s partnerships and pipeline. Relying on lenses that have to be grown from crystals, lithography is a high-stakes endeavor that requires a delicate balance of tooling and advanced engineering. We need it to power everything from smartphones to washing machines to traffic lights. With China looking for inroads into this foundational technology that has been controlled by the western world, this conversation is as timely as it is fascinating.

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Omar Santos is a Distinguished Engineer directing AI Security at Cisco. He’s here for a frank conversation about the realities of security in the agentic era. As more software is created on-the-fly by AI agents at the request of humans, security has to become an ever-present layer. Security will be built into complete agent runtime environments and will require constant human oversight and intervention, augmented by the ability to simulate outcomes to avoid risk.

Omar is also the Co-Chair of the Coalition for Secure AI, and these are the things he’s thinking about on a daily basis. He sits down with Robb and Josh at the end of a travel blitz that included work surrounding OpenAI’s Stargate Project, a four-year $500b plan for new AI infrastructure in the United States. The trio discuss how the ongoing training of models and the rising demand for inference continue to push the demand for security across burgeoning technology ecosystems.

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• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
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Chapters -

00:00 - Intro and episode setup

00:33 - Meet Omar Santos and his role in AI security

01:00 - Security as the new programming

02:20 - Coalition for Secure AI and security as a new language

04:45 - Identity, access, and AI agents

06:09 - Scaling models and mega data centers

09:04 - Training vs inference and the compute explosion

12:54 - Budgets, compute, and hybrid human–AI security teams

15:16 - Checklists, guardrails, and spec-driven development

20:00 - From IDEs to agent swarms and background agents

25:19 - CodeGuard, rules for coding agents, and secure SDLC

32:00 - Why doing nothing is the biggest AI security risk

39:30 - Validating AI, AI safety levels, and open source dilemmas

46:00 - Private networks, insider AI agents, and embedded security

51:00 - Simulation, digital twins, and business-wide risk modeling

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As the CEO and Co-founder of Apollo GraphQL, Matt DeBergalis has a lot to say about the ways that organizations can confront their inherent complexity and build reliable systems for AI to flourish. He joins Robb and Josh to talk about how GraphQL has made it easier for developers to build meaningful, AI-powered solutions.

As an open-source language for APIs, GraphQL makes data fetching more precise and flexible. When utilized within an agent runtime environment, GraphQL gives organizations the ability to build their own tools. As Matt explains, this gives orgs an enormous edge with agentic AI, and helping teams move light on their feet, experiment, and adjust quickly.

The trio also reminisces about the early days of the internet and agrees that ChatGPT was the mother of all demos.

Looking for the Agent runtime episode - https://youtu.be/CddjTUWSaHA?si=86dSwjyE3uZGYY8F

Here is recent news Apollo announced at Summit last week :https://www.apollographql.com/newsroom/press-releases/apollo-expands-platform-to-power-the-agentic-future-at-graphql-summit-2025

Chapters -

00:00 - Intro and episode setup

02:10 - Unsung hero moment for GraphQL and agent energy

03:12 - GraphQL basics for APIs in an agent runtime

04:36 - Why GraphQL won - types, tooling, developer velocity

05:20 - API design UX - REST vs GraphQL for developers

06:54 - From developers to builders - laypeople using agents

07:00 - Will the term developer fade - future of dev work

12:28 - Edit over scratch - tools that elevate product taste

15:35 - Personalized small-batch software and 3D-print analogy

17:31 - Agent-personalized apps beyond siloed UIs

18:46 - GraphQL as business language - nouns, verbs, capabilities

29:04 - Deterministic rails vs non-deterministic models in finance

32:01 - Real guardrails with MCP to Agent to GraphQL

51:00 - Graph as backbone of agentic AI

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• Use any AI models
• Build and deploy intelligent agents fast
• Create guardrails for organizational alignment
• Enterprise-grade security and governance
• Avoid vendor lock-in

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