If men can't listen to women, maybe they can listen to a man having a conversation with Jen about how who you're meant to be finds yourself where you are, leaps of faith when trusting your intuition, how to reconcile the feminine and masculine, Slurpees, dueling measurement systems, the superiority of Canadian fast food, and much much more.

Jen can be reached online at https://www.instagram.com/jenocbodytalk/

If men can't listen to women, maybe they can listen to a man having a conversation with someone who can summon birds to land on her hands.

From the guest:

My name is Florence and I am an artist, naturalist, early childhood educator, and a typical polyamorous Seattlite. In this episode my ADHD and I talk about how biology affects my worldview, how much I hate strip malls, and how I want to be treated as a persona and not just a woman.

From the host:

Surprise guest appearances by my cat and the omnipresent whirring of my 3D printer (my apologies!).

The lecture mentioned in the episode, Eve's Byte of the Apple - Sandi Toksvig

https://youtu.be/UG6Ier4UC_8?si=OtRLI8woiyhRllwb

If men can't listen to women, maybe they can listen to a man listening to someone on their journey to becoming openly the authentic woman they have always been. I talk with Eve about music, transitioning, emancipating one's true self from societal demands, music, the selfishness of trans-panic, acts of persistence and mantra; squeezing lemons, and also music! So much so that there's a companion playlist for this episode at:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4vMqzYS2sszuKfslzP2Lgo?si=2be67ec4b0134f6f

Links discussed in the episode:

https://www.instagram.com/transequalitynow/

https://www.instagram.com/aclu_nationwide/

https://www.instagram.com/humanrightscampaign/

https://www.instagram.com/pointofprideorg/

https://www.instagram.com/plannedparenthood/

https://www.instagram.com/ppglobe/

https://www.instagram.com/trans_week/

https://www.amazon.com/Candy-Darling-Dreamer-Icon-Superstar/dp/1250371740