How to Design for Climate Transformation in a 'Messy' World with Kirsten Dunlop

In this episode of The Resilient City, host Hannah MacInnes and Kirsten Dunlop (CEO, Climate KIC) discuss how real change needs a complete, systematic change that goes beyond individual solutions. Kirsten explains that big, radical shifts only happen when there is a crisis, and the change is almost always "incredibly messy," but it is possible. She defines resilience as the fundamental capacity to keep trying and investing in solutions that make life measurably better, rather than snapping back to the old normal.