Health care trainees rotate through a variety of different settings. ICUs, hospital wards, and outpatient clinics. If they're lucky, they might even spend time in a nursing home. But on today’s podcast, we’re adding one more setting to that list: your local art museum.

In this thought-provoking episode, we explore how art museum teaching is being integrated into the education of medical professionals—and why it's making a profound difference. Our guests, Amy Klein, Laura Morrison, and Gordon Wood, share their journey of integrating art into medical training, along with practical strategies you can use if you're inspired to do the same.

You'll also hear how engaging with museum-based medical education can help health care professionals deepen empathy and emotional awareness, practice the skill of multiple perspective-taking, and grow more comfortable with ambiguity and uncertainty.

Resources mentioned in the podcast include:

• A story about one medical student's experience with a day in the museum using multiple museum-based education exercices

• A Journal Article published in the Journal of Palliative Medicine titled “Museum-Based Education: A Novel Educational Approach for Hospice and Palliative Medicine Training Programs”

• A journal article on “Twelve Tips for Starting a Collaboration with an Art Museum.”

• A handout from the 2025 AAHPM/HPNA preconference gives examples of museum-based education exercises and resources for further training.

• Alex’s summary of some prompts we discussed for the “Personal Responses Tour”, which is a reflective exercise where participants choose artwork based on a personal prompt, then share with a small group. The prompts include:

• • Find a work of art that reminds you of a patient

  • Find a work of art that reflects a challenging clinical situation

  • Find a work that speaks to an experience you have had in your palliative medicine training that taught you about the impact of bias or racism

  • Find a work that connects to the path you took into palliative care or geriatrics

  • Find a piece that makes you think about community

  • Find a piece that reflects your idea of what a “good death” is

Lastly, stay on the “look out for” the 2026 Art Museum-Based Education preconferences session at the AAHPM/HPNA annual meeting on March 4, 2026 in San Diego!

In his book, “Why We Revolt,” Victor Montori decries the industrialization of healthcare. We’ve become a healthcare factory, beholden to health systems motivated by profit. In particular, he laments the loss of the “care” aspect of healthcare.

Clinicians are under the clock to churn through patients. Patients are tasked with doing work outside of the clinic. Patients are tasked with hours and hours of work to self manage, obtain and manage medications, track weights and fingersticks, not to mention scheduling visits and waiting around for the visit to start.

Now we have an app for that. For what, you ask? Well, for everything! Digital burden is real. Think about what we ask patients to do: charge your device, remember your password, 2 factor authentication, each interface is different, wait…where do you enter your fingersticks again?

Victor is an endocrinologist who often provides care for older patients with multiple chronic conditions, polypharmacy, and complex social situations. He’s “one of us.”

Some might argue that these circumstances call for incremental change. Not Victor. He argues that we need a revolution. In particular, he argues that the revolution must come from patients to be successful.

On this podcast we discuss:

• Why do we need a revolution? What made him get to this point of arguing for a revolt?

• Why should the revolution be patient led, rather than clinician led? What role do clinicians have to play?

• What is minimally disruptive medicine (a term Victor coined with Carl May and Francis Mair in 2009)?

• How does shared decision making fit into the revolution?

• What’s the matter with guidelines? What’s the role of standardization?

• We suspect that most geriatrics and palliative care providers feel like they’ve escaped many of the issues Victor describes, trading less glamorous and remunerative work for more satisfying time spent caring for patients; focusing on what matters, goals of care, and attention to emotion and social well-being. Are we deluding ourselves?

If you’d like to join the revolution, please check out Victor’s website, patientrevolution.org

And I believe this is the first Peter Gabriel song request! I think Peter Gabriel’s album So was the first cassette tape I purchased. About time, 350+ podcasts in. My son Kai turns this very non-guitar friendly song into an acoustic jam for the audio-only podcast version; you get my weaker attempt on YouTube :)

Finally, a quick plug for the Sommer Lecture series in Portland OR. Victor and I had a terrific time bonding at this year’s lecture series. While not strictly geriatrics and palliative care focused, the lectures seem targeted at a broad audience, with something for everyone. And yes, I made them sing parody songs :)

-Alex Smith

Most health care providers understand the importance of goals-of-care conversations in aligning treatment plans with patients’ goals, especially for those with serious medical problems. And yet, these discussions often either don't happen or at least don't get documented. How can we do better?

In today’s podcast, we sit down with Ira Byock, Chris Dale, and Matthew Gonzales to discuss a multi-year healthcare system-wide goals of care implementation project within the Providence Health Care System. Spanning 51 hospitals, this initiative was recently described in NEJM Catalyst, showing truly impressive results, including an increase from 7% to 85% in goals of care conversation documentation for patients who were in an ICU for 5 or more days.

How did they achieve this? Our guests will share insights into the project’s inception and the strategies that drove its success, including:

1. Organizational Alignment: Integrating GOC documentation into the health system’s mission, vision, and strategic objectives.

2. Clinical Leadership Partnership: Collaborating with clinical leaders to establish robust quality standards and metrics.

3. Ease of Documentation: Upgrading the electronic health record (EHR) system to streamline the documentation and retrieval of GOC conversations.

4. Communication Training: Conducting workshops based on the Serious Illness Conversation Guide to equip clinicians with the skills needed for impactful GOC conversations.

Join us as we explore how these strategies were implemented and learn how you can apply similar approaches in your own healthcare setting.